Semi-Detached...in simple terms

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by Brice, 2nd Nov, 2016.

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  1. Phase2

    Phase2 Well-Known Member

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    :eek:no shared connection points? How is that not Green Title?? Must be a weird exception to the rule.. very odd :)
     
  2. Perthguy

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    Haha. I have looked at so many houses I might have seen all the types of plans.

    The simple answer to your question is that the lots are not Freehold (Green title) because the plan has 'Survey Strata Plan' written at the top left. That's how we know these are Survey Strata lots and not Freehold (Green title) lots.

    I have seen many combinations of Survey Strata:

    1. 2 lots with a common property driveway

    https://www0.landgate.wa.gov.au/docvault.nsf/web/PS_STPM/$file/EXAMPLE30.pdf

    2. 2 street front lots with just 1 square metre of common property (for shared services)

    https://www0.landgate.wa.gov.au/docvault.nsf/web/PS_STPM/$file/EXAMPLE43.pdf

    3. 2 lots with no common property (although these are more typically side by side both street front)

    https://www0.landgate.wa.gov.au/docvault.nsf/web/PS_STPM/$file/EXAMPLE8.pdf

    Oh, and I just found one with a party wall easement and no common property. Lot 1 and 2 of this plan is what the OP is chasing:-

    https://www0.landgate.wa.gov.au/docvault.nsf/web/PS_STPM/$file/EXAMPLE13.pdf


    Some more examples of typical Strata Plans

    https://www0.landgate.wa.gov.au/docvault.nsf/web/PS_STPM/$file/EXAMPLE26.pdf

    https://www0.landgate.wa.gov.au/docvault.nsf/web/PS_STPM/$file/EXAMPLE34.pdf

    and some examples of typical Survey Strata Plans

    https://www0.landgate.wa.gov.au/docvault.nsf/web/PS_STPM/$file/EXAMPLE23.pdf

    https://www0.landgate.wa.gov.au/docvault.nsf/web/PS_STPM/$file/EXAMPLE14.pdf
     
  3. Phase2

    Phase2 Well-Known Member

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    Have you seen other SS plans with no CP? In example 8, it looks like they've deferred the development of the rear lot (note WAPCs Memorial re: Watercorp's interest in Lot 2), which might explain the survey strata with no CP.. seems a weird way to go though.
     
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    More typically I have seen street front survey strata blocks with no common property. Looking at them from the street, I would have sworn they were freehold but when I asked the selling agent they told me Survey Strata - no common property. I have blocks of 2 and 3 townhouses done like this. My understanding is that it is done to save costs on servicing because with Freehold lots, every lot requires a power connection but with Survey Strata lots, there is only one power connection shared between all the lots. I don't know if there is a town planning reason for this such as they don't meet the minimum and average for Freehold but they can if it is a Survey Strata?

    If you go to Belmont City Maps and look up 22B Campbell Street, Rivervale, this is a Survey Strata Plan. It turns out that the 4 townhouses in the block are all on the same Survey Strata Plan (pi parcel S062055). I looked at this property a few years ago and I was very surprised when the agent told me it was a Survey Strata. If you have a look at the listing for the property, there is no clue that it is not a freehold lot:

    22B Campbell Street, Rivervale, WA 6103 - Property Details

    City of Belmont
     
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    Phase2 Well-Known Member

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    OK.
    Yeah the shared service thing is what I don't get. If you're sharing services, then I'd have thought the points of access/connection would have to be CP? Apparently not.
    Looking a bit closer it looks like 24B has an easement for water connections/meters (the fence is a giveaway) near the northern corner. Can't see a Green Dome anywhere though...

    Very interesting though. Thanks for the examples.
    @Brice sorry I hi-jacked your thread a bit.. :oops:
     
  6. Perthguy

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    From memory there were water and power easements across the front of the lots. I don't remember what they did with sewerage.

    I think in @Brice's case it would be a lot more straightforward.
     
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    dabbler Well-Known Member

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    Seems there is a second strata to mainly cater for issues given with services etc....

    Anyway, you better get some Bex or Panadol and drop it off for the OP :p:)
     
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  8. zac101

    zac101 Well-Known Member

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    Hi @Perthguy you definitely know Perth strata inside out and thanks for the valuable posts.

    My question is I am looking at converting my block of land into two lots (one behind the other) with some common property as survey strata in Perth. Initially they will be both in my name (until I sell the rear block or maybe rent it out initially). So would I need separate insurance for the common property which would be the driveway to the back block.

    Many thanks.
     
  9. Perthguy

    Perthguy Well-Known Member

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    No idea @zac101. I have done insurance for strata not survey strata. Best call some insurance companies and ask them
     
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