Selling PPOR with IP equity loan BankWest

Discussion in 'Accounting & Tax' started by Jimmy D, 19th Nov, 2015.

Join Australia's most dynamic and respected property investment community
  1. Jimmy D

    Jimmy D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    48
    Location:
    Tas
    Hi
    I am selling my PPOR which has a home loan and an equity loan to finance an IP (both with BankWest).

    I will be buying land and building in about 2 months.

    How can I maintain the loan so it's still a deductible expense?

    BankWest don't offer the option of changing the equity loan to a secured term deposit. I don't have enough equity in IP to secure this loan as well.

    Can the equity loan be secured by my fathers property? Are there any other options?

    My brokers said to carry the loan over one I buy land but selling the PPOR must be paying out the Equity loan right?
     
  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    41,932
    Location:
    Australia wide
  3. Jimmy D

    Jimmy D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    48
    Location:
    Tas
    Thanks for the advice.
    Regard point 3. Does this mean I could get the loan secured from my dads property then refinance it later with new PPOR.
     
  4. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    41,932
    Location:
    Australia wide
    Yes. But not a refinance - a substitution of security
     
  5. Jimmy D

    Jimmy D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    48
    Location:
    Tas
    Thanks for the fast replies. Sorry last questions.
    If I can't substitute securities to a term deposit with BankWest, could I do this with another lender?

    Your item 3 borrow off somebody else, does this mean with another lender? And how would I secure it? With cash? I only have the cash after selling.
     
  6. Tekoz

    Tekoz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    23rd Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    1,374
    Location:
    Sydney
    Hi Jimmy, I'm also curious to know about your scenario, let us know how you go here.

    Thanks.
     
  7. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    41,932
    Location:
    Australia wide
    You could borrow from family -

    you could refinance your investment loan with another lender that will allow cash to be used as security. Or easiest would be to use parent's property temporarily.

    get legal and tax advice.
     
  8. Jimmy D

    Jimmy D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    48
    Location:
    Tas
    Thanks, I will try going with the parents option. Just so I know worst case. Does the option where refinancing with another lender (secured with cash) ok to be done after the sale of the PPOR? That's the only way I can secure it with cash.
     
  9. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    41,932
    Location:
    Australia wide
    No. You won't be able to settle on the sale until the mortgagee = bankwest, releases the title. They will not do this while a loan is secured by that property. So you would have to have a simultaneous settlement. i.e. settle on the refinance and the sale at the same time. Not an easy thing to organise.
     
    Tekoz likes this.
  10. Jimmy D

    Jimmy D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    48
    Location:
    Tas
    Thanks for all your help. I'll post again on how I went with it all.
     
    Terry_w likes this.
  11. Jimmy D

    Jimmy D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    48
    Location:
    Tas
    Just an update on how I went. Just about to settle on the sale of PPOR. My broker tried to refinance my investment loan with another lender before settlement with the aim to transfer to a secured term deposit at settlement. The lender said it would be fine, now found out that it couldn't be approved due to the house being sold (contract signed). Now I have to payout my equity loan which was funding part of IP. New PPOR loan will be 90k more and non tax deductible! Might have to write a new forum post for any advice!
     
    Tekoz likes this.
  12. JohnPropChat

    JohnPropChat Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    10th Sep, 2015
    Posts:
    2,293
    Location:
    Middle Earth
    Get specific advice. Things are already moving quickly to keep seeking general advice on public forums. Hope it works out.
     
  13. Tekoz

    Tekoz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    23rd Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    1,374
    Location:
    Sydney
    Hm.. That's seems more difficult than what I thought to be.

    Let us know the follow up thread here or PM me mate.
     
  14. Jimmy D

    Jimmy D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    48
    Location:
    Tas
    Just about to settle. Didn't have any luck so will be paying out the investment loan with proceeds of sale. My accountant and broker didn't have any other options due to the time frame.
    I will now have 90k paid off the IP and will need to borrow $90k more for next PPOR. Does anyone have any goods plans?
     
  15. Jess Peletier

    Jess Peletier Mortgage Broker & Finance Strategy, Aus Wide! Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    6,684
    Location:
    Perth WA + Buderim Qld
    If you have some spare equity you may be able to do some debt recycling?
     
  16. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    41,932
    Location:
    Australia wide
    Considered selling the IP? Spousal sale? Related entity sale?
     
  17. Jimmy D

    Jimmy D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    48
    Location:
    Tas
    Debt recycling of equity in IP?
     
  18. Jimmy D

    Jimmy D Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    48
    Location:
    Tas
    I have but I don't want to get hit with cgt or pay stamp duty on transferring title, plus the IP is negative geared and my wife only works part time.
     
  19. Jess Peletier

    Jess Peletier Mortgage Broker & Finance Strategy, Aus Wide! Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    6,684
    Location:
    Perth WA + Buderim Qld
    Using equity in IP to pay investment costs, and funneling funds saved into PPOR debt. Then using equity in PPOR for IP purposes. Speak to your Tax person :)
     
  20. sanj

    sanj Well-Known Member Premium Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    3,469
    Location:
    Perth
    @Terry_w suggested 2 or 3 times that you get advice, the $500 or so dollars would have saved you all this last minute nonsense, hopefully lessob learnt in the future.

    Its impossible to formulate a clear strategy if you dont know exactly what the possible good and bad scenarios are. Use experts in their field, pay them fairly and make decisions on a more secure footing.
     
    Terry_w likes this.

Buy Property Interstate WITHOUT Dropping $15k On Buyers Agents Each Time! Helping People Achieve PASSIVE INCOME Using Our Unique Data-Driven System, So You Can Confidently Buy Top 5% Growth & Cashflow Property, Anywhere In Australia