Same rules for entire council ?

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  1. James Baker

    James Baker Well-Known Member

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    The city of Monash council is spread over several suburbs
    It starts from Ashwood to Oakleigh in the south to Glen Waverley at the other end

    If a property is designated as GRZ2, will the same rules apply for construction irrespective of the suburb it is in, or it can vary from suburb to suburb ?
    (Let’s presume they are identical plots in 2 different suburbs birth designated as GRZ2)

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  2. Tufan Chakir

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    Same rules
    Except that you will also need to see if there are any Overlays that adjust things
    And bear in mind Neighbourhood Character can vary from place to place and therefore "adjust/change" expectations and outcomes
    But technically, yes, the same provisions will apply through GRZ2 - actually throughout the State!
     
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    This development in MW is building 3 huge townhouses on just 753 SQM GRZ2 of land and that also behind each other

    222 highbury road, Mount Waverley, Vic 3149

    Can this be replicated in say Oakleigh or Burwood ?
    If not what was unique to this property that such a development was permitted?

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    The MW property appears to be located amongst other like developments - so not a significant departure from existing neighbourhood character. Located close to employment and public transport...has a few things going for it.
    The answer to your question is maybe...how longs a piece of string. Its very site dependant. Very design solution dependant.
     
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    So if I understand correctly, if the nearby developments in the area are only 2 townhouses to a property, then the chances of getting approval for 3 would be difficult even though the grz2 rules would permit it ?

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    Maybe, maybe not...Like Tufan said there may be some overlays that affect the property as well. You're asking the Council to consider a proposal on a specific parcel of land with a specific design solution. This includes neighbouring property locations, neighbouring habitable room windows, overlooking issues, overshadowing issue (so allotment orientation comes into it as well), Does the lot have an easement? is the asset even in the easement? or, located outside it? Is the subject land liable to flooding? do floor levels need to be raised and what impact does doing that have on neighbouring properties?
    Looking at "templated" examples is probably not a bad starting point, but thinking that a one size fits all is a bit of a developer trap.
     
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    But then where does neighbourhood character come in play ?

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  9. James Cavill

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    Its another consideration in amongst it all. You have to take them all into consideration as a package and not just cherry pick the things that are easy or that suit the outcome you want to achieve. The answer you are looking for is for one of us to say "yes, if you picked that development up that got approval over there and plonked it here in the same zone with roughly the same conditions then it would get approval there too" - but its not that simple
     
  10. James Baker

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    That is not my intention at all, I can assure you

    I just want to know the process so that I can concentrate on the areas where the type of development I am looking for is possible at least on basic parameters to some extent

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    Grz2 is pretty restrictive particularly if you factor in the new garden space rules
     
  12. James Baker

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    Most of Monash properties comes under GRZ2 or even more restrictive NRZ classification

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