Renters rights at the end of lease

When I first read this yesterday morning, I saw a tenant, any tenant, who couldn't get his act together long enough to locate a few places to apply for. He clearly states in his OP that the property is about to be renovated so I assumed the landlord has tradies lined up to get the work done. With 60 days notice to vacate, it makes sense that the LL had 60 days with which to arrange trades and services.

Now I read that the OP is a LL himself so he should know the deal, and has mentioned another situation when he was owed unpaid rent. I see a personal issue here and a bit of emotional baggage . Can I say revenge? If so, then very immature from the tenant's side.

I've had a tenant ask to stay a few weeks longer and as there was nobody else pre-arranged to move in the next day and no trades lined up, then sure, not a problem. But if I have a reason to require vacation on the notice date, then surely a contract is a contract.

Grow up Tenant.

 

Vin seems to know a lot about the landlords plans, so clearly the landlord had been on the phone and "communicating" (to the PM or tenant early on).
What is disappointing is that Vin has left it to the last 10% of his 60 days to even think of acting (but isnt this the same guy who recently bought 2 OTP and was struggling to settle ??? )
I'd have allowed up to a week as a buffer between vacancy date and trades starting too.
Maybe Vin should have spent less time here and more time on applications

Good luck Vin, l do hope you manage to fix this situation without being dragged through the tribunal

 

Had a tenant who wanted to stay on for 6 extra months past her end of lease termination. They went to NCAT and that gave her an extra 3 months from a mediation booked 4 weeks ahead and a hearing booked 6 weeks after that. Then was a no show at the hearing and vacated on her own accord

They gamed the system real good that time. Maybe.... Something to consider in truly desperate times.

 

Classic, yeah, the one who gets lawyers involved when others are not doing what he wants, I remember that one, and the AirBNB etc

 

Depends on situation, but these people sure ain't going to get great references.

 

I can't see what the issue is here. Surely a temporary move into your airbnb apartment would be the solution and store your property at friends/neighbours.

If the motivation to get your own rental in the last 60 days hasn't been strong enough, then the loss of airbnb income might help.

Well done on working hard on your business but please don't make it the landlords problem when you clearly have places to go and the smarts to achieve it.

 

That is true, but why not ignore all contracts and rules then ?

Why can't a vendor be kind when I do not want to settle, or can't on time, why hit me with lot's of fees and threats.

Nothing to do with kindness IMO - in fact I think they have irritated those that can help it seems, I read it that the person could not be bothered taking the notice seriously, I bet that is why the PM is cracking it too, it reads as...what are my rights ? someone else got away with it on me, maybe I should do the same to this LL even though they followed the rules.

60 days is heaps of time, I have had to move many times when I did not want to, as well as friends of mine, in 30 days and far less. I think 60 days is excessive myself.

You cannot say a owner has different motivations, there are many reasons for all people to move.

 

Nope. The OP said they own a business. My definition of a business includes the employment of at least one staff member. If one owns a business and you are the only employee, then that is not a business. That is a job; if anyone thinks it is a business, try selling it. It is worth nothing or close to it.

This is may be true or not true. But, for me, it has nothing to do with their predicament. They were given 60 days to vacate and they did nothing about it. If I was asked to leave my current accommodation, I would find something in 60 minutes. I would not need 60 days.

I find it interesting that the OP has had time to post on PC but not find alternative accommodation. As I stated earlier, it looks to me that they are having issues with setting priorities. If their business is small and struggling, then that may be one reason why.

Every business has a CEO or has someone who takes on that role. They may not wear the title but someone has to take on that role.

Totally agree. I feel the "small and struggling" landlord and the "small and struggling" tradies will suffer more hardship than the OP, through no fault of their own. The OP has lots of options; the landlord and tradies are limited in what they can do.

Totally agree. If the OP is too busy to find alternative accommodation, good luck to their business if they are dragged into the legal system.

I am a great believer in karma - it would be interesting to know how the OP would react if one of their tenants or one of their business customers did a similar thing to them. Watch out, it could be coming their way.

 

That sound like an admission of guilt, not an admission of hardship.

IMHO, people can’t demand respect nor can they say they deserve respect.

One has to earn respect and it is a two-way street.

Simple example: compare how much respect Roger Federer has earned vs how much Nick Kyrgios has earned. Unfortunately, while Nick struts around demanding it or telling us he deserves it, he won’t get much.

Sounds like you have a lot of respect for VCAT and the legal system.

Sounds like you have a lot of respect for the landlord/PM.

So, being dishonest/lying is OK? If that an attribute you encourage in your staff in your business? If employees see that a certain behaviour is acceptable to a business owner/senior management, then they believe it is acceptable for them to mimic that behaviour.

 

Here is some reading for Vin, )he has been quiet, so will assume busy looking/moving)
https://www.propertychat.com.au/community/posts/96181/
Should he find himself listed, it can last for 3years
Good luck writting your own reference then

There has been some good points raised here.
In some instances l can see people would need extra time or have hardship circumstances.
Not all people do, and "using" the system is wrong

 

All I am going say is - how would you feel if the shoe was on the other foot?

In life there are always people who are happy to dish it, but never happy to take it. Bad form really.

Do i feel sorry for you? With what you've said so far of your story - no.
Do I have a solution? Yes and its already been mentioned.

1. Put your stuff in storage (Pods might be a good option for you Home - PODS® Moving & Self Storage)
2. Go airbnb a room / live with friends for 2 weeks.

You made a mistake, you live with the consequences. You don't make your problem someone elses.

We can stop the cycle of "he did it to me, so its only fair i'm allowed to do it to the next guy", but only if you choose to.

 

Ok you were being serious. That is ridiculous then.

The law is there to protect people who have actual hardship. Being too selfish and self centred and inconsiderate of the effect your actions has on others because you did no set aside 15 minutes a few times to search online for somewhere to move to does not constitute hardship.

Defending him citing hardship saying he is the victim when he is clearly had no hardship is not different to defending someone saying
"He was working so hard to support the wife he loves and adored that he he collapsed from exhaustion - onto his secretary - they just happened to be naked at the time. His the real victim here!"

The OP doesn't sound like he intentionally is an evil person, but unless people point out that his actions have adverse affects on the lives others, he will continue to never give a crap about anyone else.
But saying he is a victim of hardship is ridiculous.

Also this has nothing whatsoever to do with me ever having tenant problems. It is a matter of being a decent human being and treating other people with decency instead of taking advantage of them when they have done nothing wrong.

 

All the property managers, mortgage brokers, financial planners, accountants and lawyers who could sell their client books for millions would like a word with you.

Very much this. Having no regard for other people is the issue here.

 

All in agreement, say "aye".

Can we put this to bed yet or are we waiting with baited breath for the next instalment in the saga?

 

Nope, no hanging, no bashing & indeed no thread required, just do the right thing, move your a** out when your supposed too & do not try and weasel your way out of basic responsibilities (as someone else said, trying to make your problem/s someone else s).

One day he may try this stunt on the wrong persons and get exactly that style of eviction, I have known people thinking they were smarter and the law was on side with them, they got a rude shock.

Hopefully he finds a place, plenty of good suggestions through the thread, fair enough to point out what LL do not like and the better available options.