Religion and sexism

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  1. Azazel

    Azazel Well-Known Member

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    But I should add I'm not anti-spiritualism.
    Inside a church is the last place you should expect to find that though.
     
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    I am interested in the history and beauty of old churches and cathedrals and why people believe what they believe but thats it.
     
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    Ditto!....perhaps the Australian media needs to look at what is happening in Australia before they throw stones from glass houses.

    Even a conservative Muslim country had a female leader in Benazir Bhutto ..thought it did not end well ...she was assassinated. But many countries like Indonesia...India..Korea ..Thailand have had women leader.

    Working in Australian corporates...it feels like the top is filled with old Ango-saxon men on boards who have more in common in private school boy behavior than have more open views....their views are out of touch with current demographic of Australia.

    People need to realize that demonizing the Muslim majority will not win too many favors. Most are like you and I. Yet the 1% of bad eggs seem to tar the majority...I blame the old Anglo men trying to sell newspapers...

     
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    Australian Christian mainstream religions are similarly stacked with old Ango-saxon men at the top. Their history of treatment is women is appaling. Women were not permitted to hold positions of authority until recently, and only in some brands of Christianity. I don't follow this but I know in the past women have not allowed to be Ministers/Priests, Deacons or hold any other positions of authority. If you want to see a religion oppress women, look no further than Australian Christians. I think it is rich that we criticise Islam for opressing women when Christianity has a long history of opressing women:

    Prescribed gender roles for men and women in particular are then reinforced through a specific view of scripture that cannot be questioned, despite public teaching that all sermons and Bible study is open to discussion and comment. Hence the Bible, which on the one hand is used to teach Christian freedom and a renewed relationship with the God of love, is then used to conveniently oppress women and to have them subscribe willingly to that oppression. As one woman said, "There is no need to fight a revolution if no one revolts."

    Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/comment/why-women-leave-the-christian-church-20150305-13vqig.html#ixzz3qhI3QgmS
     
  5. Xenia

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    I agree - you cannot be spiritual and religious at the same time.
     
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    This is the best interview I've listened to regarding Islam. Sam Harris and Maajid Nawaz were interviewed on Lateline. They have co-authored a book about Islam and tolerance. Harris is an atheist and Nawaz a Muslim. In my opinion, these guys are on point:
     
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    ^ I think that video has already been posted in this thread by Steve Ryan.

    Something else worth watching if you have a spare 2 hours is this debate:



    Very interesting, panelists include Zeba Khan, Maajid Nawaz, Aayan Hirsi Ali and Douglas Murray.
     
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  8. Mombius Hibachi

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    Okay, so tonight I was out with a group of friends. One of my friends - a female - was going to walk home alone. I insisted on escorting her home. She resisted, but I wouldn't take no for an answer.

    I told her that a man escorts a lady home to ensure she gets there safely.

    Does that make me a woman hating misogynist? That I am prepared to ensure that a female friend gets home safely by escorting her to her front door?

    Should I have just thought 'Eh, f__k it, women are equal now, she'll be fine'?
     
  9. herenow

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    Your friend is naive and/or stupid. Tell her to read a newspaper. It's not safe for woman (or even men, but not to the same degree) to walk alone at night. In an ideal world it would be, but we don't live in an ideal world.
     
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    Hi herenow, I know your heart is in the right place (thank you, by the way), but I want to point out that my friend is neither naive, nor stupid. If she was, we wouldn't be friends.

    I do not suffer fools gladly.
     
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    Yet she thought walking home alone was a good idea ...? You don't think that is naive? Why didn't you let her?
     
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    Maybe she felt bad about putting you out but was secretly relieved.

    Maybe she had assessed the risk and found the level of risk to be acceptable to her.

    Maybe she had secretly planned to go somewhere else and meet up with someone else and you foiled her plan.

    Maybe she knew that most women are attacked or raped by someone they know and considered you to be more of a threat to her than a stranger attack. The chances of being attacked randomly were probably much smaller than you attacking her. If you had forced your way into her home at the end of the night and assulted her she would have struggled to get a conviction for a 'date rape' where she was drinking with the attacker, and ageeed to walk home alone with him late at night. It would have been her word against yours.

    As a solution to ensure their 'safety' we could keep women at home and only allow them out with a male family member (not you) as a chaperone. And then when they do go out we can cover them entirely in fabric. if they protest about their lack of equality we can remind them to read a newspaper and call them names like stupid. If all else fails we can tell them its what god wants.
     
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    No its not. She has slipped and needs to:) do so something.
     
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    WTF.
     
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    Sounds like abuse to me!

    People are far more likely to be assaulted, killed or raped by someone they know. So I wouldn't be surprised if it was statistically safer to refuse an escort home.
     
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    “In our study, kids from atheist and non-religious families were, in fact, more generous,” Professor Decety said.

    Well there you go.
     
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    Perhaps. Just seems like there is so much wrong in the world at the moment (or perhaps it's always been this way and just more reported/my awareness increased).
     
  20. spludgey

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    It's just the reporting. The world has never been a saver place!

    These are the American statistics (which I concede are a little more extreme that the Australian ones, but both are heading in the same direction) for violent crime.

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    These are the statistics of people dying in wars worldwide.
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