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Religion and sexism

Discussion in 'Living Room' started by spludgey, 28th Oct, 2015.

  1. spludgey

    spludgey Well-Known Member

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    So how come a very large number of muslims see woman as being worth less than men or are not accepting of homosexuality?

    Religions generally aren't very tolerant and from my experience islam certainly isn't.
     
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    Chilliblue Well-Known Member

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    It is not the religion but rather the person that adapts their beliefs and calls it their religion.

    Having spent 8 days in Morrocco, I noted very few women who wore the full burqa and only 4 women who went further with the veil over the eyes. If I go to Auburn NSW I can see that number in less than hour. All were accepting that I was female and I had no issues.

    My religion is also flawed. Pope Pius X11 blessed the soldiers going off to fight in WWII and happily accepted artwork and jewels from the Nazi party. Look at the issues concerning abuse of young children.

    At the end of the day, the majority of religions state that you essentially should be a kind and generous person of good spirit and tolerant of other people.

    You do not need to be religious to be a bigot. Just an idiot.
     
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    It really depends what you read. The new testament might be preaching that, but the old testament is full of hate and brutality.
     
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    You mean a very small number of Muslims that media keeps showing again and again.
    Check out countries that are Islamic and have women top roles (both politics and corporate)

    And regarding accepting homosexuality, which religion embraces it?

    I am an atheist myself, but don't go finding holes in others beliefs. Live and let live is my 'culture'.
     
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    spludgey Well-Known Member

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    So because other religions suppress it, it's fine to do so for all religions? This clearly shows intolerance not tolerance.

    Here are some statistics from some muslim majority countries:

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    Showing the same for discrimination against women is a little bit more difficult, but in Islam women often receive half the inheritance of men.

    Muslim girls in western countries are often not allowed to date whomever they want, boys however are.
     
  6. Chilliblue

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    And in Australia (as in other western countries) women earn significantly less than their male counterpart ($0.82 to the $1.00) and have less superannuation at retirement.

    In 2010, only 8% of directors of the largest 200 publicly listed companies in Australia and 33% of government boards were women.

    Nearly 1 of 3 Australian women will experience physical violence and almost 1 in 5 women will experience sexual violence in their lifetime.

    These figures are worse if you are indigenous.

    Religion has nothing to do it.
     
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    I'm not disagreeing that there is sexism everywhere, but I believe that muslims are worse than average when it comes to the treatment of women.
    But I think we'll have to agree to disagree, as I don't really foresee either of us changing our point of view.
     
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    You conveniently left out that women make up a significantly smaller portion of the full-time workforce, which is why they only make up 8% of directors. Not to mention that if you also included women who went back to full time work after raising their kids, and therefore would not have the required experience to become a director, this number would be even smaller.

    $0.82 to the $1.00 is another comical argument. These "statistics" also conveniently ignore the fact that women are still much more likely to stay at home and raise the children whilst the man (assuming a heterosexual relationship, since it is case most of the time) goes to work. Again, if they go back to work after raising their family, they are less qualified, so they earn less.

    If you compare a female engineer/accountant/doctor with a male counterpart with equal experience there is no way there would be an 18% difference in pay. Otherwise managers would only hire women to save money in wages.

    I've worked with women who have made more than me and I have worked with women who have made less than me. Every time a woman has made more than me, she has deserved to make more than me. Every time a woman has made less than me, she has deserved to make less than me. You get paid what you're worth.
     
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    this is a skewed stat. Many women leave work by choice for family, and/or work part-time etc to manage this. Many choose to forego promotions etc as well for the above reasons.
    My wife is one of those.
    A mechanic, or nurse, or teacher for eg; earns exactly the same hourly rate whether male or female.
     
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    We will have to agree to disagree.

    All I can say is that I feel comfortable walking in the dark in places like Istanbul, Fex, Marrakesh, Dubai, Abu Dhabi and the like than
    So
    The reason for the stat was to show that behaviour or peoples ideas cannot be based on religion alone.

    I too have taken time off work for the kids as well as forgone a highly paid position in lieu of contracting for more flexible hours.
     
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    I only have Feb 2014 stats at hand

    Workforce participation
     Women comprise 45.9% of all employees, of whom 53.6% work full-time (24.6% of all employees) and 46.4% work part-time (21.3% of all employees).  Women constitute 69.6% of all part-time employees, 35.4% of all full-time employees and 55.3% of all casual employees.  The labour force participation rate for women is 58.4%, and for men is 71.1%.

    Economic security
     On average, women working full-time earn 17.5% less than men working full-time.  Female graduate salaries are 90.9% of male graduate salaries.  Average superannuation balances for women are 42.1% less than men.  55.7% of people aged 65 years and older receiving the aged pension are women.
     
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    This is the only one of the stats that could potentially suggest inequality.

    However, it isn't detailed enough.

    Graduates of what?

    There are more female teachers than male teachers. There are more male engineers and doctors than female engineers and doctors. It is reasonable for an engineering or medical graduate to make more than a graduate teacher.

    All of the other statistics quoted support my earlier argument. Less women work full time, therefore less women are qualified for high paying positions, therefore the average female salary will be lower than the average male salary.
     
  13. Mombius Hibachi

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    This has been debunked so many times over the last few decades, yet feminists keep trotting it out.



    So what? Women, generally speaking, favour flexibility in their working hours and naturally gravitate towards jobs that allow for this.

    Nearly half of men will experience physical violence.

    http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4906.0Chapter2002012

    This is another lie that has been thoroughly debunked. If those numbers were even remotely close to accurate, women would be getting raped at epidemic proportions.



     
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    @Mombius Hibachi
    There you go with the bashing again.
    At these times, you wish you had 'thread ignore' option!
     
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    I will make as much money as I want to make I'll do whatever I want to do I will believe what ever I want to believe.

    If anyone has a problem with my gender and how much money I'm making please contact me I know some really good psychologists I can refer you to get over your fear of successful women.
     
  16. Scott No Mates

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    The crux of the matter is that women earn less because they want to be dependent upon their spouse. (Yeah, right).

    Who in their right minds would go to work to earn less than your equally qualified colleagues?
     
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    The full covering with the veil over the eyes is actually a Burqa. If the eyes aren't covered it is a Niqab and if the face isn't covered it is a Hijab. I haven't seen anyone in Australia yet wearing a Burqa, at most it was a Niqab.
    Sorry to correct, I just think most people don't know the difference.
     
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    @Northy85 - only covering the eyes is a blindfold ;)
     
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  19. Mombius Hibachi

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    Scott, a more pertinent question to ask is 'Who in their right mind would hire men for $1 if they could get women for 77c?'
     
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    If there was truly a pay difference, I'd put females only please in my job ads.
     
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