Refinancing Check

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  1. JK200SX

    JK200SX Well-Known Member

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    Current Situation
    - 2 loans with Bankwest are just about to come off Fixed IO from 4.29 to 4.74%
    - 3 other Variable IO Loans with Bankwest have interest rates that have just nudged up to 4.79%
    (All these loans are for 3 IP's)

    - 2 loans with AMP are currently Variable IO at 4.32% and are due to go to P&I in August. (these 2 loans are in splits against PPOR for 20% deposits for IP's, ie tax deductable).
    - Another IP loan with AMP that is variable IO at 4.62% that has about another 2 years before it goes P&I

    - No bad debt
    - About 620K sitting in offsets.

    Proposal from Mortgage Broker:
    - Payout loans against PPOR, effectively releasing title.
    - Refinance all other loans with Westpac. Based on my serviceability, he has recommended:
    a) 3 off the properties fixed IO for 3 years at 3.99%
    b) I property variable P&I at 4.33%. This will be the property that will have the offset attached to it.
    - I will still have approx 220K in the offsett.
    - The interest and principal payments in this scenario will roughly be the same as the IO payments currently.
    - My LVR will be sitting at 64%
    - All vals have come in ok, calculators add up for this proposal
    - Westpac will provide 2k per property (ie 8k) towards refinancing costs.

    The other thing I should mention is that with AMP, I also have 400K in line of credit/ undrawn loans available - this was setup for the pending purchase of another property, but it never happened, so when the AMP loans close up, I will not have access to this money.

    I suppose I have taken advice from many in this forum and preparing for this event, by ensuring that I was able to save up as much cash as possible, and I think it has paid off:) Also, the other thing thats happened is the loss of a reasonably paid job in automotive, and now in a similar engineering/management role, but with approx 30% pay cut at the moment.
    - All vals have come in ok, calculators add up for this proposal
    - Westpac will provide 2k per property (ie 8k) towards refinancing costs.

    So, my question to all of you, does the above proposal sound reasonable. Is there anything I should be aware of, take note of etc......

    Thanks,
    J
     
  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Why do you want to pay off the loans secured by the main residence and discharge the mortgage?
    Westpac rates are good, but ..

    What is your aim here?
     
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    JK200SX Well-Known Member

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    I don't think my serviceabilty will allow me to hold the additional loans.
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Generally it may be better to have debt secured against the main residence rather than investment properties as you might get a better rate. However, the differential is decreasing these days - but could change in the future.

    Do you have a main residence loan at main residence rates?
    Your explanation is confusing to me.
     
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    JK200SX Well-Known Member

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    Yes, the main residence loan is at PPOR rates. However, the only debt against it is for the 20% deposit amounts used to purchase IP's
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    whats the rates and amounts?
     
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    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    Looks fine on the surface

    WBC product is a good mix too.

    one thing to be mindful of, is that the 3 year fixed IO will revert to 27 years PI.

    ta
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  8. Peter_Tersteeg

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    You might be able to get better rates by putting a lot of the debt against your PPOR, but there's also something to be said for owning your home outright. The rate differences are narrowing a lot these days anyhow.

    At a glance I think this is probably a good plan.
     
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    JK200SX Well-Known Member

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    !) 310K, IO 3yrs, 3.99%
    2) 400K, IO 3yrs, 3.99%
    3) 370K, IO 3yrs, 3.99%
    4) 110K, IO 3yrs, 3.99%
    5) 440K, Variable P&I, 4.33%
     
  10. devank

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    I wouldn't do that. I would leave at least a little bit of loan. Your Title is safe with the bank. A little bit of asset protection when you hide behind a bank.
     
  11. JK200SX

    JK200SX Well-Known Member

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    Aren't titles electronically lodged these days?
     
  12. essendonfan

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    As above, you could look at a lender that will price the PPR debt on security and not purpose (and get into the 3's)
     
  13. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    not enough info to make an assessment I'm afraid.
     
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    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    parity or near parity with most lenders wont be too far away, especially with fixed rates

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  15. Harry30

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    When you say parity, best fixed P&I rate for PPOR is around ~3.6%, equivalent IP is still ~3.99% (some lenders are now at 3.89% when you push them). Are you suggesting this ~0.4% difference will close even further? As they say, back to good all days of investors paying no more than OOs? I remember those old Aussie ads with John Symons - ‘Why should investors pay more. Aussie changed it’.
     
  16. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    well thats not quite apples to apples :)

    a good recent example is suncorp 349 for PPOR PI 3 years, 369 for IO IP 3 years


    a 20 point spread on investment AND io

    yes ots just one lender, but we are seeing similar movements with the market generally.

    I might suggest as the investor finance market drives up further, and the now mouldy APRA based excuses for what is now a "gouge or investor subsidy" for the benefit of home buyers, market forces will bring the 2 closer and closer across many lenders.



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