Refinance and Equity Release Questions

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  1. Krisyd

    Krisyd Well-Known Member

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    I am looking to Refinance my PPOR.

    Currently I have 575K loan left. Assuming the valuation will be 800 K, I am also looking for approx. (80%*800K - 575 K) = 65 K Equity Release.

    I am getting 3.32% (standard variable with Advantage Package) with no Fee+2K cashback from the Dragon.


    Q : Is it in line with current market?


    Also, I asked the banker to get Equity Release into a separate IO split.

    As per what I have read through various threads in PC, My plan was to pay off the IO loan (or just keep $10 if paying off the whole split results in closing down), and then reborrow from the split when we buy an IP.


    However, the Banker advised he can split, but since it is an OO loan, he cannot do IO, the split has to be P&I.

    Q : How to deal with a P&I Split until I use for IP? Does the same strategy works i.e. Pay off the whole or 99.99% and then reborrow when required? How the repayment is calculated in a P&I Split?


    Also, on the main loan, I have asked for multiple splits as per Tax Tip 13: Simple Loan Structuring Strategy.

    The Banker informed me that each split created beforehand will result in a separate loan contract . He advised me to do splits later(P&I) as it would be easier.


    Q: Is it true that each split will result in a separate loan contract?


    Thanks in Advance
     
  2. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    of your loan is at 80 % lvr or less consider moving to a lender and product mix that may suit your current and Future needs

    Move to Macq Bank or AMP with a debt recycle facility and perhaps save a few years on the PPOR repayments at the same time while building an IP portfolio AND investing in shares, IF that suits your risk profile and resource mix

    STG SVR is a major pain for splitting down post settlement, Like NAB

    CBA is another option ,but clunkier than AMP and Mac, and a little more expensive

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  3. Pash81

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    Is Westpac the same or is it different to STG?
     
  4. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    1. Yes

    2. A PI loan fully offset will quickly pay itself off – about 15 years

    Loan Tip: If a PI loan was fully offset how soon would it be repaid?

    Loan Tip: If a PI loan was fully offset how soon would it be repaid?



    3. No. and even if it does it doesn’t matter really
     
  5. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    very different, even though both mortgagees will be westpac
     
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    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    Wesuck is tick and flick for split downs

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  7. Pash81

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    So which one is better?
     
  8. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    That depends on the circumstances. As a broker I probably use both in equal measure. St G are good for trusts, westpac are good for individuals debt recycling. Serviceability is often better with westpac....
     
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  9. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    WBC has the capacity to easily Debt recycle on the SVR, STG is problematic, though if you can handle the risk of their Portfolio LOC, thats ants pants for active DR, and long term IO periods

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  10. Pash81

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    If the aim is to do some debt recycling in future via split loans etc and the rate difference betwen westpac and St george is around 0.1% (westpac higher rate) on approx $1mil loan, which one would you choose?
     
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    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    worstpac every day of the week........but, does depend on some personal circumstances.

    why not a more suitable product such as Mac ? likely lower rate for a start

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  12. Pash81

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    I think the rate i'm negotiating with St. George and Westpac will not be far off form the Macq rate.

    Secondly will get $2k rebate for each of the 3 properties

    Thirdly, will most probably get first 2 years package fee wiaved off with St. George and Westpac where as with Macq its hard. Also Macq charge $363 settlement fee per property where as St. George is $100 per property and $0 with westpac.

    Fourth, STG and WBC will do 90% LVR without LMI whereas Macq. wont.

    So when i did the calculations for the total cost as a package over a 2-3 year period (I generally refinance every 2-3 years), Westpac and St. George suits more than any other lender.

    I dont do much active DR. But might do little bit in future.
     
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  13. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    The reasons why lender X is better will mostly be in the details. Fees charges and rates come relatively low in the REAL decision tree for portfolio builders, but LMI waivers ( if required) are a difficult one to overlook.

    Still, even there, for PPOR debt, if the LMI waiver is an option rather than a must have, many PPOR borrowers will still choose an 80 % er where it gives them the opportunity to DR, build wealth more quickly and diversify their asset base at the same time. Modelling the outcomes of an active DR strategy often but not always makes such a choice very clear if the clients risk profiles are suitable.

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  14. Pash81

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    Is any better than the other if the borrower is a medical proffessional?
     
  15. Shahin_Afarin

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    Macquarie have a medico package but its not as robust as St George or Westpac.

    St George by far has the superior medico policy of all the lenders (thats policy not product). They love medicos and if there are any tricky scenarios or if any exceptions are required to policy then they are quite good and take a very pragmatic approach to lending. Whereas Westpac is very black and white. ANZ is also a very medico friendly lender.

    Westpac's products are excellent for debt recycling as Rolf has mentioned whereas St George is generally clunky although this is getting a bit better.

    St George are also good for company/trust structures and they have a little niche whereby the title can be in the name of a company and the borrowers can be the individuals (providing the guarantee).
     
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  16. Pash81

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    Is there much difference in the SVR product under the yearly package between these two lenders?

    Also any differenece if multiple split accounts are needed or there is a need to do a split after settlement?
     
  17. Terry_w

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    Yes very different. Westpac is very easy to split, St G harder.
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    This is something you would need to discuss with your broker as it is provision of credit advice and there are many other things to consider which you have not listed.
     
  19. Pash81

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    Planning to go direct through the bank
     
  20. Terry_w

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    Well, you would be unable to get advice in that case other than from the lender you are dealing with.