QLD Queensland COVID-19 residential tenancy legislation

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  1. Simon Hampel

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    I don't think the tribunal would look too kindly on you serving notice due to sale with no sale contract in place.
     
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    So say this goes to tribunal and tribunal orders a rent cut to 30% of the persons/couples current salary. Then they don’t pay that. Still no arrears?
     
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    Tribunal orders are enforceable aren't they?
     
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    I would think so but they say no arrears will be due.
     
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    No arrears from previous rental agreement.
     
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    It appears that the no eviction rules still apply. Whether the arrears on the reduced amount are allowed to accumulate is not really clear.
     
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    Hopefully this becomes clear soon. If they would have to pay arrears on the reduced rate then at least the possibility of zero rent, for most renters, is moot.

    As someone with two properties in Queensland I’m really annoyed by this legislation too, it’s not fair. I’m a bit worried too. Hoping that arrears can still happen on that reduced rate otherwise we don’t have much of a leg to stand on, tenants can walk all over us.
     
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    My Observation:

    The government has made it clear that people cannot be evicted due to financial difficulty due to the virus.

    They have not very clearly said tenants can not be evicted for OTHER reasons?
    ie Can not be evicted for Malicious damage?
     
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    In a depressed market 30 days on and back rented may be the only option...
     
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  10. Simon Hampel

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    Read this: For property owners

    Clearly says that you can issue a notice to leave for an approved reason to end a tenancy - except for rent arrears caused by financial distress due to the impact of COVID-19.
     
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    You mean the tenant that has just lost their job , through no fault of their own.
    Every time interest rates fell over the last few years , who did that "favour", certainly not the tenants, does a tenant get a "favour" through a discounted rent when many investors get a nice refund back of the ATO after negative gearing at tax time .
    Life doesn't always benefit the same people at the same time , at certain times , some are winners and some are losers.
    Think about those one million casuals that wont qualify for the new subsidies.
    As a property investor we have sat back over the last 11 years and watched interest rates drop from just under 10% to about 3% , at the same time we have smashed debt .
    We have also watched some friends that have has the same benefits, but spent years IO and took on more and more risk, and are now want the government to bail them out as well.
     
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    Also if one had a vacant property right now and rented it out to someone who appeared to be able to afford it based on their centrelink benefits or reduced income (say the rent was 30% of income which would seem affordable), there would be nothing stopping them from immediately seeking a rent reduction due to hardship, pulling something out that you couldn't have known about (like credit card repayments or something) to argue the 30% is too much?

    Why would anyone with a vacant property put it on the rental market at the moment in qld if they had a viable other option?
     
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    While there are still people who are going to lose their job in coming months - in most cases - if they sign a lease today and then claim hardship shortly afterwards - I doubt the tribunal would look to kindly on that. You can clearly demonstrate they are trying to take advantage of the situation.

    What viable other option do you have? Some rent is better than no rent, isn't it?
     
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    well, they cant be evicted anyway due to rental arrears, it doesnt really matter what the landlord/tribunal would look to that

    edit: I ve just had an idea, maybe ill go rent a $2000 per week castle in QLD, and refuse to pay after 2 days, thats 6 months free living in a chateau
     
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    @marmot these points have been rebutted many times on other threads, and not once have you replied.
     
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    The tribunal can only apply the law though, they won't rule in the landlords favour just because tenant has been a jerk

    Sell, leave vacant and see what happens, move in friends or family or themselves.

    High risk of tenant in there trying to take you for a ride and paying a pittance or nothing is worse than an empty property with guaranteed zero rent.
     
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    They have to actually prove hardship to the tribunal though. You'd want to be pretty careful about who you let your property to.

    Leaving your property empty will make interest and other expenses non-deductible.
     
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    THIS

    I've shown in a previous comment somewhere that a family with 3 kids can afford a rent of at least $500pw on the current benefits, and still be below 30% of their income. All good.....BUT.....

    What happens when after 6 months when not all of these people have jobs to go to, and their welfare payments have the COVID bonus taken from them. Are we, as Landlords, now supposed to reduce our rents even further so that they don't have to move out of our properties?

    Or is the COVID bonus here to stay & the dole money is essentially doubled.
     
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    Whats actually rubbish is people loading themselves up with debt with multiple mortgages IO and then complaining during a major pandemic that tenants cannot pay their rent, and suddenly many investors in highly leveraged positions are up the creek, and even want Australian taxpayers to bail them out.
    Or would you like a "lecture" on how to manage your money better, which serves no point as it just puts people offside.
     
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    what a joke, Politicians and politcs at their best

    landlord: why cant you pay rent
    tenant: because I lost my job and now I only have...
    landlord: stop, we cant ask you about personal finances
    tenant: because I had $10k saved up for a rainy day, and now...
    landlord: stop, we cant ask you about personal finances
    tenant: ok, I cant pay my rent because I got a mosquito bite on my butt
    landlord: ok, now are getting somewhere
     
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