NSW Property NOT selling in Sydney - Clearance rates below 50%!

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  1. ollidrac nosaj

    ollidrac nosaj Well-Known Member

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    Margin calls are specific to margin products. Not so when using home equity to purchase shares, no different to using said equity to purchase another property.
     
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  2. AlexV_Sydney

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    to some extent, YES.

    when an investor doesn't have a cash buffer and property price declines sharply, it leads to fall in rental return, in result - repayments are much higher than rental returns, so an investor may be not able to make repayments - that is technically "margin call" for that investor
     
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    totally different beast IMHO - margin call -
    Margin call is a demand.

    With property bank loans you have control
     
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    'margin call' for property loan is a demand as well, but it is conditional and more flexibility (cash buffer, ability to increase income, ability to borrow, etc) and delayed in time.
     
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    You can take out a standard residential loan with a residential property as security for "investment purposes". I have done this twice. I could have done whatever I wanted with the loan funds: gone to Bali, put it all on red, bought Dick Smith shares, bought bitcoin, or invested in property. It went on property but if I have bought bitcoin instead, I would be filthy rich right now. My point is that these are not margin loans, they are normal residential loans and basically can't be called in.
     
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    secured against shares? not property?
     
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    A residential property is the security for the loan. Once the loan is set up I can buy shares.

    I have a house. I use the house as security for a loan of $250,000. I use the funds to buy shares.

    If the shares go up, great! If the shares go down, the bank won't hassle me because the loan is secured by a house. Does that make sense?

    It's fairly easy to do. I have done it twice, except that I bought property, not shares with the loan funds.
     
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  8. Simon Hampel

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    Actually, MTR was asking about leveraging "on value of asset" meaning the only security is the asset itself. This is what a margin loan does.

    Borrowing equity from your home to invest in shares is NOT leveraging shares - it's leveraging real estate. You can also borrow equity in your home to buy a car, extend your home, get cosmetic surgery - doesn't make it an investment.

    ... anyway - I think this thread's original topic has run its course - closing it. Feel free to start a separate discussion about margin loans or leverage of shares vs real estate.
     
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