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    I just want to point out that us uncivilised Queenslanders still put the kids through exams. Yes, we do Naplan, and we also do HSC, but it has a different name. Gockie's neighbour might have left out a few details, like her daughter didnt sit any Uni entrance exams when she was only in year10.
     
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    Thanks @Angel. I'm sure Qlders have year 12 exams, I was just going off what the mother said. I don't know how it compares to the NSW system. Regardless, I think area matters though. Cheltenham (a public high school) consistently tends to get very good HSC results and I'm sure it's not just luck. Families move into the area so they can send their kids to school around here.

    Ps. @Travelbug. My niece now goes to Cherrybrook Technology. She managed to score Mr. Woo for a class for maths! Winning :)
     
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    Woo who
     
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    We should be aiming for a classless society. I don't like the concept of religious schools as it segregates groups of people and helps create bigotry. Similar with non-religious schools where the rich are segregated from the poor. Same could be said of one sex schools.

    When I had to do some criminal work, I found it interesting to see and hear how snotty nosed private school graduate barristers had to interact with yobbo criminals. They tried to swear to fit in, but they couldn't get the pronunciation right.

    Also consider the fondling aspect. Your children will have less chance of being molested in a non-religious public school.

    And then there is the monetary aspect. Imagine if you invested the fees instead.
     
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    Thanks...
    Couple of things.
    1. The highest achieving schools all seem to be in Sydney. No regional schools. This may or may not be true nowadays, but what I heard is that for HSC marking, the teachers who mark get to see the levels of ability of all kids. The markers all come to Sydney. Which then gives these teachers an opportunity to see best practise, give their students feedback and to know how their students perform in relation to their peers from all schools. Having teachers who mark will give students an advantage. Perhaps marking could be done in a non centralised manner - in a few centres across NSW so all teachers have that opportunity. When teachers get exposure to high and low quality exam papers, surely they'll lift the quality coming from their own students.

    2. North Western (Hills area) Sydney - outperforming for Government schools! Its the location of the top 2 schools (James Ruse and Baulkham Hills) and 5 of the 10 top non selective Government schools. Most of these schools are very huge (around 1000+ students) and the non selective schools have to take all students living in the catchment.

    These schools can't turn away students within the area which indicates they must be doing something right. And given there are so many government high schools in NSW, to get this many schools in the list, this area really dominates.

    3. Top independent schools all seem to be concentrated in Sydney's Eastern Suburbs. Of course, the parents has to have plenty of money to send their kids there or the children need to get a scholarship.
     
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    Thanks. I'm not into high school ranking. I'm trying to discern what schools will be a good fit for my child and vice versa...in my area there's private, government high school and selective schools with costs, value factored in. after speaking to teachers and parents from various schools since this weekend, I think we now have a good idea which schools are close fit to our child.
     
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    It's not that schools are worse or better. It's what you're working with. This is why the whole incentive for teachers who's students get good grades is ridiculous. I was the same teacher at a western suburbs school that I was at the high achieving school.

    These days you have to cater for individual needs (as opposed to 30 years ago when everyone just did the same sheetwork). But if you have one gifted child it's more difficult to cater to that child. If you have a group then it's easy.

    Yes please PM me before Feb 24 as I won't be checking after that (overseas for 3 months).
     
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    Where you going this time? I don't mind living vicariously :)
     
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    We are swapping motorhomes with our friends. They are taking our motorhome from Sydney, through Vic and SA to WA. They will leave our motorhome there and fly home (England).
    Flying to Spain. We pick up their motorhome in Malaga (Spain) then drive down, then up through Portugal. Then up through France. We will meet our friends in London 3 months later to give their motorhome back. A bit nervous but looking forward to it.

    We will pick up our motorhome later in the year and visit WA, SA and Vic and back to NSW for Christmas.
     
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    Send them to a boarding school. I don't want my kids to be permanently moored at boarding school, but I'm thinking I'll send them there for a semester.
     
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    Are you joking?
     
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    I do agree.

    But what if you want to pay another couple of bob to provide a superior education? It's most the religious guys that provide that service. Catholics are cheap and reasonably good. Go the protestants and muslims for best results.
     
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    No.

    Children should be provided times when they are separated from their parents or they'll turn out like Eric Trump.
     
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    Thanks @Gockie and @Travelbug for the insights. I have managed to find somemore info. & I will try to put it up soon for everyone's opinion.
     
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    I want to add that on this forum, the typical person has an IQ miles above that of the typical Australian. Therefore a school that will satisfy the demands of a typical Aussie family would probably not be the same school that will satisfy your demands.

    Remember too that any school will generally deliver to the standard expected by its customers. For example in a community where studying foreign languages, classical music and using perfect grammer is NOT the norm, then its local school will probably not have enough students wanting to persue these subjects to make it viable to employ specialist Music or Language teachers. If performing well in Naplan is not a priority of the families, there wont be much incentive for the curriculum to heavily focus on Literacy and Numeracy.
     
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    Agreed. To me the subjects they study is probably more important than the ranking of the school. Neither myself or my partner is religious so I wouldn't want my kids to study religion related subjects at primary school level. We have friends over for dinner the other day, their 6 yo went to a catholic school and insisted everyone say grace with him before dinner, which is a bit bizarre. I don't want to be in a situation when our kids learn something at school and come back to question why parents don't behave the way the school teaches them, such as say grace or go to church on Sundays. Of course if they are old enough to understand religion and become religious it is up to them.
    Also two of my local schools have compulsory Vietnamese and Indonesian language subjects. My partner and I jointly speaks English, Mandarin, German, Japanese and French, so from a purely pragmatic point of view, it will benefit the family the most (we travel extensively) if the kids can study Arabic or Spanish.
     
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    Lol
     
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    The school we have in mind has boarding school but it's not far enough unless we send them to Melbourne haaaa
     

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