Oh, crap!

Discussion in 'Loans & Mortgage Brokers' started by spludgey, 27th Feb, 2018.

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  1. spludgey

    spludgey Well-Known Member

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    I think I may have made a bit of a rookie mistake!
    I just moved my loans totalling $1.52M (which had an IO period that was expiring next month) from 4.14% IO to 3.89% P&I.
    I did the calculations and while I knew I would be down a little bit, I didn't realise that the IO period reduced the life of the loan. So now instead of it being 30 years, it's only 24 years, meaning nearly an extra $12k per year in P payments!
    I had not budgeted for that!

    Is there any way of getting the life of the loan bumped up to 30 years again after fixing it? It's St George.
     
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  2. Jess Peletier

    Jess Peletier Mortgage Broker & Finance Strategy, Aus Wide! Business Member

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    Not without a new assessment, and possible break fees. Whoops!

    What's your borrowing capacity like? (Break fees should be minimal if you do it quickly.)
     
  3. spludgey

    spludgey Well-Known Member

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    Unfortunately we have one extra mouth to feed in the way of a newborn and are one salary down while my wife is on unpaid maternity leave. Plus we've got 10 IPs at a reasonably high LVR, so anything that requires reassments is pretty much out of the question.
     
  4. Jess Peletier

    Jess Peletier Mortgage Broker & Finance Strategy, Aus Wide! Business Member

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    :( You may be able to make use of their 'repayment holiday' - this can be for up to 12 months.
     
  5. Corey Batt

    Corey Batt Well-Known Member

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    No can do getting a longer term without reassessment - so you'll have to absorb the increased repayment amount. On the upside is if you can take on that cash flow hit, when your personal income situation improves you'll be in a great situation with your debt eroding at an accelerated rate.
     
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  6. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Oh well it would have happened anyway, you have just brought it forward a bit, and by doing so you have probably lowered the repayments by finishing the IO period a bit early.
     
  7. spludgey

    spludgey Well-Known Member

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    Thanks guys.
    Yes, we can absorb it for a minimum of three years (assuming worst case scenarios) at which point my wife will hopefully be back at work three days a week and then it won't be an issue.

    All up it's around $35k a year in principal payments.
     
  8. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

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    good that you posted this as a warning stick for others.

    In some cases such a thing could cause a "sales event"

    It also hightlights that not all lenders are equal.

    CBA would likely let you go back on IO after serving 6 mths on the pi with a tick and flick form (as at todays rules)

    ta

    rolf
     
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    The Y-man Moderator Staff Member

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    @spludgey

    Thanks for the timely warning to all - and I don't think it is necessarily a "rookie" mistake - we (the PC community) have been warned previously multiple times by the brokers here but it's hard to comprehend until you hit it.

    The Y-man
     
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    very true
     
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    The Y-man Moderator Staff Member

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    Is that where you send the wife and new child on "holidays" and they disappear for 12 months? :eek:

    The Y-man
     
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  12. Jess Peletier

    Jess Peletier Mortgage Broker & Finance Strategy, Aus Wide! Business Member

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    It's where you all move to Bandung and live off $5/wk while working via the internets. :D
     
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  13. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Splugely considered borrowing to make part of the repayments? Could be an option if you run into cash flow problems and have an unused LOC laying around/
     
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    thanks for the reminder, I would not have known,

    I was going to ask the bank for repayment amounts and had it increased too much depsite a drop in IR, I may have questioned it!
     
  15. spludgey

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    No LOC, plus as I understand it, that would then make it a non deductible loan anyway, right?
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    No.
     
  17. D.T.

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    On the brightside, you'll start eroding some debt. Nothing wrong with that :)
     
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    Im a touch confused. If he had the capacity to do this , he would be borrowing more than he already owes, and if he has that sort of borrowing capacity he would surely have the capacity to do a dollar for dollar refi to a new 30 year P&I term , no?
     
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    I think he meant the OP might have an undrawn LOC or similar to draw on. Not new borrowings.

    New borrowings are possible in some circumstances.

    When I hit the serviceability wall, and loans reverted to P&I I refinanced one security with a low doc loan. This equity release gave me some breathing space until my serviceability improved.

    Never a great idea to borrow money to pay back money, but it worked in my case. I justified it to myself as my overall equity didn’t change. I was just transferring equity from one property to the others via principal payments.
     
  20. euro73

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    I think he's PAYG not self employed... and I imagine if he had a Portfolio LOC he would be better advised to close it and reduce his assessable debt and refinance the debt ( or some of it at least ) that he is saying is likely to take him over the cliff in 3 years time .... Depending on LVR, a good deal of the sub 80% debt may fit at Liberty or Pepper right now. Rate is higher sure , but a new 30 year term with the first 5 years at IO would still be far less expensive than a lower rate over 24 years P&I . Even at P&I over 30 years with those lenders he'd be ahead . If his wife returns to work in 3 years he can pop back over to a mainstream lenders then. Its all about managing cash flow and holding costs...

    yet another reason why everyone who isnt going to be comfy paying all their debt @ P&I over 20 or 25 year terms should be sticking at least one cash cow in their portfolio as a hedge .
     
  21. euro73

    euro73 Well-Known Member Business Member

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    Myself and other brokers have been writing about this daily for over 2.5 years.
     
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