NSW Newcastle 2018

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  1. BB5

    BB5 Well-Known Member

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    Only an hour on the train too!
     
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    Anyone know where 2 Johnson St, Lambton ended up? We left at $451k when the bidding between fhb's was in full swing at tiny increments - we were looking for a development block and, after doing all the sums, couldn't justify going over $400k.

    Fire damaged and semi-gutted asbestos clad dept housing house - in dept housing area, but still good location - so looking at land value (less demo) value only ... and the punters blame the investors for driving up the prices pffffft

    2 Johnson Street Lambton NSW 2299 - House for Sale #128635162 - realestate.com.au
     
  4. tomlemke

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    Hi Lizzie,

    That sold for $463,000, that would be the cheapest land sale in Lambton for a long time.
     
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    It sold then for around what the agent quoted ... the numbers just didn't make sense for us then building a 3.2.1 duplex when looking at sale prices and rents for similar in recent month.

    Also, no guarantee of approval for a duplex, being R2, despite precedence set over the road and behind ... got caught with the "precedence" issue before
     
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    Wouldnt even of bothered showing up if your limit was 400k wasted a beautiful saturday.
     
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    Sold 730k very top of the guide just like i said
     
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    good luck to them. I think I will find something else to put my money into.
     
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    Ya know what. I take that back. There is a dual occ for sale at 5 regent st for 1.1 mil.. maybe that place wasn't so bad for 730k
     
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    That duplex has been on the market for quite a while at $1.1m.

    Developer might have over capitalised on that one. Buyers have plenty of options for that price range.
     
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    I just had a look on rpdata the sale was registered 3 days ago for 1.1m, they have done well getting that price for a duplex. It did take 57 days though which is well above the 30 day average in New Lambton.
     
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    Market update-

    Quality renovations and new builds are still selling well as long as they are priced right.

    Unrenovated homes which 12 months ago buyers were paying a premium for are struggling to sell. It doesn’t seem like many buyers are out looking at the moment that want to put the work in. Lots of first homes buyers wanting nicely renovated homes up to $650,000.

    My strategy over the next 12 months for the Newcastle market is going to shift from buy and hold to buy and flip.

    I’m going to target homes like the one below, if you could buy it for low $500’s spend 50k to 60k including holding costs and the renovation.
    It will be worth close to $650,000 in the current market. Not huge profits but a couple of these are year will be fairly easy money.
    12 Roe Street Mayfield NSW 2304 - House for Sale #128852310 - realestate.com.au

    This one sold for $625,000.
    85 Fawcett Street, Mayfield, NSW 2304 - Property Details
     
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    That's why we didn't want to pay more than mid-400's for a potential (ie, can be knocked back by council) duplex block ... by the time you pay all costs and build the darn thing ...
     
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    Stamp duty and CGT are the killer on these tight margins ... luckily you can avoid selling agents fees ... unless it's a ppor but have to be careful you don't do it to often in a short period or the ATO starts to look askew
     
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    Waa going to mention that Lizzie. Pays to speak to a good accountant before taking on this strategy, normally developers would not take on a project with less than 20% net profit margin as there is next to no margin for error.

    Very tight margins on "gross" profit on those quick flip examples. After you account for CGT taxes, stamp duty and agent fee - youre left with not much in terms of profit for quite a bit hard yakka and risk.

    Unless you treat it as your PPOR you don't have to worry about CGT. But if you're doing a few flips a year then the ATO will judge that you're a professional in the business of carrying out renovations with an intent to sell. Then your gains are taxed as income rather than capital gains.
     
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    Plus one must ask themselves how much they value their own "time"
     
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    My parents are selling their home and had a poor valuation on it - valuers advised they have been told to reduce vals by 15% from actual to build in a buffer for an expected market correction
     
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    Profit seems tight but the break down looks like this, just let me know if i have missed anything.
    Luckily I have a trade background and can sell it myself otherwise it wouldn't stack up.

    Purchase price + $500,000

    Purchasing costs/ Stamp duty + $20,000

    Renovation- Paint, flooring, bathroom,kitchen + $40,000.

    Total cost= $560,000

    Sell for $650,000

    CGT -$30,000

    Holding costs for 3 months -$5000

    Marketing costs -$3000

    Legal fees -$2000

    If it sells for $650,000 - $40,000 in costs = $610,000 - Total spend $560,000.

    Profit = $50,000
     
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