WA New tenant being unreasonable?

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  1. Dan Wood

    Dan Wood Well-Known Member

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    I'm wondering since now we know their ethnicity, that they can't use their cooking utensils like a Khadi or Tawa which are common in that cultures cooking and most likely cast iron or just plain aluminium.

    Wouldn't surprise me to be honest, parents give them their hand me down specialised flat bread cooking pan with no edges and they loose it when they can't heat up their chapatti.

    I mean I'd be annoyed too, I love chapatti's :( but I would threaten my landlord over it.
     
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  2. spludgey

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    I'd offer them to terminate the agreement.
     
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  3. chooke

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    The tenants replied again complaining how we (the PM and I) are not treating the issue seriously. They claim that as the induction cooktop requires specialised cookware it does not fit the essential service criteria (btw most cookware is compatible but they are emphasising the uniqueness of these cooktops). They also are saying that they are under a lot of stress and cannot understand what they have done to deserve to be treated this way.

    Anyway, the tenants have given us an ultimatum or they are taking it to the court - either I purchase for the property a compatible cooking set similar to what they have, which includes a pressure cooker, skillet, range of saucepans and frypans as part of a list or they purchase a portable gas cooker (of their choosing) with a gas cylinder which they will then bill me, or I replace the cooktop with standard electrical or gas.

    If we don't agree to their demands, the tenants say they will take us to court to seek a break of lease and compensation for their move in and move out expenses, their meal purchases and any other related expenses incurred since taking out the tenancy. The PM agrees that we should not correspond with them anymore on this issue and wait for the court hearing.
     
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  4. Dan Wood

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    someone has the entitled princess syndrome!!

    sounds like meghan markle

    edit: Please please keep us posted,
    would love to see the look on their faces when all their demands are not met
     
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  6. Westminster

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    Pretty much sums up my thoughts.
    Now that I know they are Indian however their cookware would be pretty special and not at all compatible with an induction cooktop. It was probably all wedding presents and not that old.
    I feel for you, this must be very stressful.
     
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  7. MRO

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    Call there bluff. Allow them to terminate and move out. Imagine how difficult the rest of the lease term may be if this is just the start.
     
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  8. Sackie

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    Yup. As I said in an earlier post. I can smell a nightmare tenant a mile away.

    What you got yourselves here is a gen- u-ine nightmare beast that needs to be put down ( out of the lease legally) asap.

    This is one case worth going to court over imho. I hope they get their asses kicked.
     
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  9. TheRayTracer

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    If you become aware that the tenants have carried through with the above and are using the gas cylinder inside the kitchen, than they have invalidated your insurance and other legal and safety concerns. I'm not sure on the rental regulations in Perth, but in most states, this is grounds for you to issue a notice of breach, and leading to an immediate notice to vacate - endangering the safety of neighbours and property.

    For example, in Victoria: RESIDENTIAL TENANCIES ACT 1997 - SECT 244 Danger
     
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    I seriously doubt this. I can't see how it would be a breach, or even if it was, how it would justify termination.
     
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    "It is dangerous and illegal to use LPG gas appliances designed for ‘outdoor use only’, indoors. It puts workers and others at risk of fire, explosion and asphyxia"... It puts the tenants, the property, neighbors, and neighboring properties at high risk.

    LPG cylinders should not be stored or used inside commercial kitchens (revised October 2018) safety alert

    Furthermore, in all of our lease contracts (from different REs over the years) there was always a clause that stated the tenant must not do anything to void landlord's insurance, or cause the landlord's insurance premium to be increased.

    I'm just advising that I hope the tenants are not stupid enough to actually use and store a gas cylinder inside.
     
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  12. Scott No Mates

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    Can you discriminate on the basis of someone's cookware?
     
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    If their cooking needs were so specific you think they would have looked at the kitchen during inspection. The inspection is for all these things. Induction cooktops can be a issue for tenants and are best avoided in rentals over a standard gas hob or electric element. Their problem becomes the landlord problem....I would offer them the option to leave.
     
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    Its not discrimination when someone doesnt check the property suits all their needs. Hope they like showers and didnt expect a heated spa. Or a outdoor lap pool for their exercise.
     
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    And I would hope any tribunal would throw out their argument that you've not provided them with "an essential service".

    They could argue that if you actually didn't provide them with a cooktop at all, but induction with an offer of appropriate cookware (which they have refused) should make them look like spoilt children at any tribunal (hopefully).

    We had tenants like this once, and it was one thing after another, all as ridiculous as this. They didn't like the ants in the grass, could we spray for them, but not so it would hurt their cat. They wanted a particular shrub trimmed, but not this particular branch as their cat liked to sit on that branch.

    They wanted the air-con fan placed elsewhere (installed and sited by a professional). They didn't like the way the cupboard doors closed and wanted us to replace them.

    I jacked up the rent, hoping they would leave, and they went to my brother and negotiated that he drop the increase in return for them weeding the gardens (he mowed the lawns and weeded the gardens). He agreed. o_O

    Then a few months later they complained the weeds were getting out of hand in the garden... :mad:

    I did wonder if they'd been used to being indulged their whole lives and now were expecting to clap their hands and that we would jump. I danced for joy when they finally bought their own place. I really hope they are enjoying having to maintain their own property. ;)
     
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    If this was in Canberra I’d be tempted to go and watch the hearing just for entertainment value lol
     
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    It'd be worth the airfare.
     
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    its called cookware discrimination, I believe there is a kitchenware ombudsman.....ill get the number
     
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    This is reminding me of my tenant who got drunk, walked into a door and wanted compensation for hurting himself.
     
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    I can see an episode of Rosehaven developing here. Charlie Pickering could make something of it too.
     
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