NDIS/SDA Properties - Too good to be true?

Discussion in 'NRAS & NDIS SDA' started by Cmelderis, 11th Mar, 2019.

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  1. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    We already have the care providers there. It's just the investors not chasing ACT
     
  2. geoffw

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    Land tax is replacing stamp duty, and can get fierce. Does SDA get any land tax exemption?

    I'm just across the border, in NSW. Again, there are a number of providers but probably little investor interest.

    I know a doctor who has bought several properties in the ACT. I think they were converted from standard properties, low care - he did the whole compliance thing himself which was a very time consuming thing for a busy doctor.
     
  3. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    He would have had to spend plenty just to convert. And it's the ongoing compliance when occupied that is way more expensive then the compliance to build.
     
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    Is there a big cost to convert when a property is low physical care?

    My wife works as a carer in an NDIS property in the ACT. There are three intellectually disadvantaged people living there. As far as I can tell, the property is pretty much a standard house.

    What's the situation with stamp duty and land tax in different states and territories? Are there any exemptions or concessions given?
     
  5. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    refurbishment costs.JPG
    Attached is the minimum cost to refurbish a property

    No Stamp Duty or Land Tax Exemptions

    SDA payments.JPG

    But the payments above make it worthwhile still
     
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  6. Anjohn

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    By referring to the table of base price, if I built a 3 Bed+OOA House, but only 2 residents moved in with 1 bedroom left vacant, should the price of “House 2 Residents” or “House 3 Residents” apply? Thanks
     
  7. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    It would depend on what you enrolled the property as. And you can change the enrolment later.
     
  8. Cris

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    A little confused about SDA building classifications. Can any one shed some light on whether a purpose built 5 SDA apartment building in Sydney would be a group home or a class 3 apartment building?
     
  9. punti

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    Just to confirm, if I had an existing 2 bedroom apartment, I would need to spend a minimum of $570k on the refurbishment of a single unit to comply for the new build pricing? If I spend less, the apartment will only receive pricing from the existing stock table (app C)?

    The difference is only $25k/year of income. Hardly seems worthwhile?
     
  10. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    Existing stock is for previously enrolled properties. So you have to spend that or it's not eligible at all.
     
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  11. Manpreet Dhillon

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    Hi RPI, great information in this thread. I am interested in investing in NDIS. Please contact me. Any recommendation for providers in SA? Thanks
     
  12. Piston_Broke

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    Are maintenance costs above average in terms of percentage?

    Who is responsible for all that technology?
     
  13. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    The owner. When you are being paid $600/m2 for house and $900/m2 for unit in rent then the extra maintenance shouldn't be a concern.
     
  14. Piston_Broke

    Piston_Broke Well-Known Member

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    30 years investing has taught me that when someone says an expense "shouldn't be a concern" I know I should be concerned.

    Anyone here with knows that a certain percentage of rent is going to expenses. Normally around 20%.
    Do you not keep track of expenses as a % of rent?
     
  15. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    This only became possible in 1 July 2019, first builds were only completed in early 2020. So tracking is theoretical as far as repairs go.

    After the wiring and stuff in the build that will never need replacing, you are looking at between $20k and $50k worth of gear extra for the whole place. So on a 3 bed house, take your $130k gross income, stick $10k in an account to allow for future breakdown and you'll still only be left with $80-$100k gross more than the property next door. Or be uber conservative and put $30k away and then only be left with $60-$80k gross more than the place next door.
     
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    Thanks for the reply.
    So we still need to allocate at least 20 to 25% of rent for expenses.
    And I doubt tech gear will not "ever" need be replacing.

    Your footer links seem unrelated, so from what I can see you specialize in the property management and liason with builders to make sure specs are correct.
    So what do I do if I was interested in building one of these houses?
     
  17. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    I was saying the parts that don't need replacing. The wider doors, the wiring for the gear through the walls, the reinforcing above doors to take motors etc.

    It's way more than property management, the compliance is insane. But close enough.

    If you want to build something then find a provider who you want to work with. You can't claim the rent, must be by SDA provider who either owns or has long term control of property (lease).
     
  18. Annette Jansen

    Annette Jansen New Member

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    Hi, I am new to this site, I am researching at the moment and looking into NDIS. I have read some of the threads with info. How to know which provider to trust is doing the right thing by the participants but at the same time also takes care of the investor's interests?

    Do you know anything about the C o c o o n G r o u p >>> They seem to have been around for a year, only. There isn't much info out there. How do you do due diligence on a provider?
    Thanks in advance for any input.
     
  19. See Change

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    Let’s have a look ...

    1 minute DD on cocoon group .

    They have been around for more than a year. Their background is on their web site . At least they don’t appear to be coming from nras .

    Unable to find out anything about anyone involved in the group , names etc so can’t do due diligence on them .

    Looking at the list of properties they have available , the majority ( maybe all ) appear to be 5 bedroom .

    Anyone who has spent any time looking at SDA knows that 5 bedders are not a great choice.

    That they have lots of five bedders with 5 beds available is a concern but it could be that they are slow updating their site , or it could be that they’re not completed yet so tenants aren’t committing yet .

    cliff
     
  20. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    Unless they have changed they also try and have a related entity run support services. Third Line forcing - ACCC, NDIA and NDISQSC are on the warpath about this.