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Yep .

you can’t catch diabetes and IHD from someone in the super market and be dead within a couple of weeks . It’s one of the most rediculus comparisons I’ve seen in the last 18 months .

cliff

 

Against vaccination, no.

Against locking people in their homes for 2 years and effectively forcing a needle in their arm to return to work, yes (I acknowledge slight hyperbole here, but it's not far off).

 

Yep , via breast feeding and prior to delivery through the placenta

cliff

 

Sooooo, not anti-vax but voluntary. So who is going to make that decision to employ you? Fine if you are self-employed, WFH and operate completely on-line but I refuse to walk into premises where staff or customers have their noses exposed - so you're not going to win me over.

 

And you’re accusing me of being inaccurate and incorrectly quoting stats .

When you dont seem to know the difference between 18 & 24 and even if you ignore that obvious error , I’m not aware of anywhere in australia which has had a lockdown for the 18 months this has been occurring .

Hyperbole … outside a few people who repeatedly breached orders and the sad cases involving some unit blocks , not aware of anyone “ locked “ in their home’s

forcing injections in their arm …. Not hyperbole , just a total distortion of the facts .

employers , the government have a duty of care to ensure their workers and customers have a safe work place . Not taking reasonable actions to protect those people from a potentially lethal disease is an obvious breach of that care .

flu vaccines have long been compulsory for nursing home works and Covid posses a greater risk to your average 60-70 year old than flu does to a nursing home resident .

given that , it’s a Pretty simple and obvious step to mandate vaccines to pretty well any work place that involves human contact .

any restaurant , venue , plane , cruise ship etc should have vaccine mandates otherwise the provider of those services is in breach of their duty of care .

cliff

 

No - you deliberately manipulated the statistics provided ... by removing various portions of the population that make up those statistics ... in an attempt to make them fit your narrative.

 

My question was about post easing of lockdowns.

 

Who's been locked in their homes for two years? Okay, Melbourne more than most - but NSW we've had pretty soft lockdowns for maybe 5 months out of 20 and not a welded door, or windows bars, in sight

 

I’ve already stopped going to one store where a the person at the counter wasn’t wearing a mask . She said she had a medical exemption .

fine , but I choose not to go there .

As a doctor I’ve been asked a few times to provide an exemptions for mask wearing , but in my opinion , their request wasn’t justified .

I’ve also had one person ring up from the other side of Sydney ( must have taken a while to work through drs close to him to where I work ) who wanted an exemption from the vaccine due to his “ religious “ belief that the vaccine was the “ mark of the beast “ and if he had it , he would go to hell . I explained I have a duty of care to the community and I wasn’t interested in doing any thing that might lead to other people going to heaven or hell earlier than their allotted time .

I was quite polite .

cliff

 

But the purpose of the vaccine is so all your workers can work ! As their is not many jobs a cadiever can do.

 

Comes down to an employers requirement of WH&S for staff and customers ... and it's cadaver

 

Same
Not against vaccinations

UK set a date and opened. I wish we would do the same and Learn to live with this. People have choice to protect themselves

I guess one day when this is over and the emotion/hysteria has finally settled we will analyze how we got to this point and how we became an autocratic country.

Who knows, we may even get the real number of deaths…. ‘From’ covid and ‘with’ covid???

 

At least now humans can appreciate why doggies get soooo excited at “walkies”!

 

Paper weight, garden fertiliser, maggot catcher, door stop

 

Interesting how, in NSW, the numbers indicate that about 20% of ICU beds are occupied by patients with the same medical condition and the ramifications of that doesn't seem to sink in with many.

For some who are unconcerned about it it does appear they are more concentrated on their back pocket than anything else.

 

It's not about a "date" - opening in about reaching a specific target in regards to vaccinations, hospitalisations, deaths etc. To demand otherwise is false hope as the goalposts are shifting with this new variant.

The UK have also had (officially) 132,000 die from Covid, so don't think they're a good example to hold up as a "look at us". Their daily death rate is also now sitting at around 130 - and rising - despite high vaccination.

No hysteria here - only logic and common sense ... and a will not to kill others unnecessarily.

Side effects of opening - and corresponding increased hospitalisations - that many anti-lockdowners have not considered are the stories such as coming out of the US, of cancer kids not being able to get treatment due to ICU beds being clogged with Covid patients - life saving vascular surgery cannot be undertaken - childbirth emergencies .... collateral damage apparently

 

I can't help but wonder what sort of medical circumstances would justify never being able to wear a mask. Probably not good to wear one whilst having an asthma attack, but that's probably not a justification for never wearing a mask.

The same question for vaccines. There's several vaccines using different approaches, they'd have different inherant properties. Maybe a medical condition that makes Astrazenica risky may not be an issue for Pfizer?

I'm just curious and completely speculating here. It does make me think though that many claims for not wearing a mask or refusing a vaccine on medical are likely complete BS.

In the greater context of this thread it also seems to me that the people refusing to vaccinate or wear a mask are also people doing other high risk activities at the moment (not social distancing when they easily could). They're the same people who are more likely to do something that exposes them to the virus and thus are best avoided in general.