Melbourne August 2021 lockdown

Suspect a few may have said they were at a footy event rather than the protest ... or ... perhaps those inclined to protest are also of the same mindset to illegally gather for a grog up

 

More COVID cases linked to ‘reckless and selfish’ Melbourne protest at CFMEU

So if these idiots were consistent, all these infected people should refuse to isolate and protest

 

CFMEU members could be expelled from union over Melbourne vaccine mandate protests — Guardian Australia (AU)
The protests has probably infected a 4 month old baby amongst others….


The protests have sparked a Covid-19 outbreak among CFMEU officials. Seven of the officials who were at the union’s headquarters at the time of the protests have since tested positive for Covid and the union said contact tracers from Victoria’s health department had linked them to cases among demonstrators.

Setka said on Wednesday the infection had spread beyond those initial employees to dozens of family members including young children.

“We’ve got a case of a four-month-old toddler who’s got it, young children, grandparents, it is just absolutely terrible,” he told the ABC.

“My understanding is some of them are seriously unwell. I don’t think they’re on a ventilator, but they’re not really travelling that well.”

Since the protests, some workers in Victoria have told the Guardian about reports of construction employees losing their jobs after being identified at the protests. But on Wednesday the CFMEU said it was “not directly aware” of those reports.

 

Thankfully babies have a 100% survival rate.

 

Not for sure….

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-55428497

 

I think it's a 0.001% chance of death for a child over 15 and basically 0 if under. CDC data.

 

No they dont. I have niece who had a newborn that died from what is believed to be Co-vid. The USA, Centre for Disease Control have 45 babies aged under 12 months recorded as dying from Co-vid. It can do serious harm to many more than it kills.

 

As tragic as the deaths are, it's crudely a statistical anomaly. I'm saying this with young children of my own.

 

Anomaly doesn't mean impossible. Tell those 90 parents and 180 grandparents that the death of their baby is tragic but insignificant.

What isn't well known is the lifetime/long term health issues for those that don't die

 

Re. kids dying of covid there have been 16 deaths 0-9yrs and 19 deaths 10-19yrs in Spain out of over a million cases in that age range, so risk extremely low but not zero. Most had other severe illnesses (e.g. cancer), so the stats say "died with covid" rather then "died from covid".

They kept schools open through entire last school year since spread was minimal between kids, most of them get it from their parents or teachers. Masks play a big part in the low transmission (5yrs+). Same in Scotland where primary kids wear masks, but not England where they don't and much more transmission occurs in the schools.

 

So... 1838 cases today. Hope Victoria is near its peak....

 

1960ish for Vic today.

The combination of this talk about opening up in a few weeks, and vaccination rates is starting to make me think that since me and my immediate family are double vaccinated, that case numbers going fwd are not important and I am safe to go back to normal

Is that my ignorance? Or am I just getting "over" it?

 

The rest of Australia doesn’t like to see these numbers growing in Vic. Certainly there are still vulnerable populations within your state and out of it. We have to get as many Australian residents double vaccinated ASAP, then we can open everything up.

 

playing devils advocate, and im not a virus expert

if the flu vaccine means anyone can catch it but people dont get/less sick
that means the same should apply for covid in terms of mentality,

so aiming for the 80% double vaccination target (or whatever figure it is) that means vaccinated people are safe and those that are unvaccinated face the issues,

Im struggling to see the difference, why am I even avoiding going out, or social distancing if we are aiming for "living with covid"

 

Because you can still spread it to the non vaccinated.....

 

well that depends on how you look at things, but putting moral/ethics aside
if we get up to 90%fully vaccinated where do we go from there?
with the flu, the entire population isnt expected to be locked down so that your flu isnt transmitted to the non vaccinated.

or is it the case that the chances of dying is far higher for unvaccinated covid vs the flu?