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  1. Simon Hampel

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    I don't see it as obvious at all. Yes, I think there is a degree of abuse (by several members - not all of them) - which is the point of this thread - to work out where to draw the line and help stop that.

    But as Westminster pointed out - there are consequences for business members making bad recommendations because these people live and die by their reputation and need to work hard to protect that.

    Making a recommendation which then turns out to be a really bad experience for that person can have negative consequences for the person making the recommendation.

    I know of plenty of business members who never make recommendations (at least not in public - and some not even in private) for exactly that reason.

    In general, business members are qualified and experienced people who add a lot of value to the community - they typically have strong networks of clients who are able to give unbiased feedback on other service providers they use and so they do get to know who is serving their clients well (and conversely, who isn't). That is the basis for most recommendations and I think is quite legitimate.

    It becomes a problem when there are arrangements put in place to cross-promote (whether formal or informal - quid pro quo) - or the behaviour of some members make it look like there is.

    So while banning business member recommendations would technically "solve" the problem - I think that would easily qualify as an example of the idiom "throw the baby out with the bathwater" - in trying to solve one problem (throwing out dirty bathwater / stopping bad or commercially based recommendations), you inadvertently remove the good stuff as well (the baby who was still in the bathtub / stopping genuine recommendations from people who actually do know what they are talking about).

    This "all or nothing" approach does sound like a simple solution - but in my experience the consequences are often worse than the original problem - as is any "binary" solution to a social problem. There is a very large grey area which we must navigate to try and get the best of both worlds because I sincerely believe that there is a lot of value in genuine recommendations from our business members.
     
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  2. D.T.

    D.T. Specialist Property Manager Business Member

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    For what purpose? Some biz members like Rolf, myself and a couple of others have been here for well over a decade. Within that timeframe we've all utilised the services of other forum members and have come to learn which operators are good or bad so can actually provide some worthwhile input here.
     
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  3. Coota9

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    From my own experience I have used a mortgage broker that initially impressed me with his quality of posts on the forum and came with the recommendations of BOTH other brokers and forum member's.
    At the end of the day no matter who the recommendation comes from either a business member or a non business forum member it is always buyer beware,in saying that if someone has a bad experience it is in the businesses best interest to address it pretty quickly.
    Ultimately the majority of business member's posting here work within a specialised field and some are competitors within their markets which to me is a bonus for the average poster as in the end the quality of service wins through..
     
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  4. Gockie

    Gockie Life is good ☺️ Premium Member

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    We are fortunate to have so many high quality business members and general contributors on here too.
    Simon and Mods, I think you're all doing a great job. :)
     
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    WattleIdo midas touch

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    When this list becomes more prominent, it will make it easier to choose a few names and check out their posts. In this case, it won't be post count or associations that will win out for me, but clarity, logic and forthrightness.
     
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  6. S.T

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    I just think it should be as simple as recommending only businesses you've actually used before.
     
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    If you see this kind of behaviour, the simplest way is to report it.
     
  8. bob shovel

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    I must have my blinkers on our new good at selective reading as I'm not really aware of the key offenders. But i have a sensitive BS meter so i likely read over and ignore.

    But perhaps a general rule to be included in the t&c's stating that excessive recommendations will recieve warnings and edited/deleted by mods. Continuing will result in bans etc if restraint has not been shown.
     
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    I have NFI what the poster is complaining about. It could be an issue or it could be imagined. That's why I suggested they report offending posts. Let the mods sort it out. They do a great job! :)

    To be honest, certain posters constant spruiking of their own products bothers me a lot more than phoney recommendations. It's fine to outline what you are selling but when you start lying about the competition to promote your product it just looks unprofessional. Lying about the competition is a huge red flag for me.
     
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    I'm still missing those things to ...but then again. ..
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  11. MTR

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    Be interesting to see how this thread will impact with regards to any future recommendations.
     
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    Won't change me unless I am blocked or banned :) :).

    I have already been to the "naughty corner" before today (not for my recommendations but other anti-social behaviour). To me, it is about living life to the fullest :) :).
     
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    ..sounds interesting what did you do you naughty boy :p
     
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    If I tell you, I will be put in the "naughty corner" again :).
     
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    Gockie Life is good ☺️ Premium Member

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    Now I'm intrigued
     
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  16. Xenia

    Xenia Well-Known Member

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    Don't ever change. I love this about you x
     
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  17. Xenia

    Xenia Well-Known Member

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    Nooope.
    I still have no ******** idea what this thread is about.
    Too many shoulds and control drama. I'm still going to do what I want and if that breaks the "should be" rules, the mods will correct it. End of story lol
     
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  18. Momentum

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    Lol yep amazing it's gone for so many pages already, something about molehills and mountains.

    What myself and others perceive as obvious is that business members recommending other business members should be forbidden for reasons that have already been mentioned, i.e. when there appears to be arrangements put in place to cross-promote formally or quid pro quo. Or there's mutual gratification gained from members in the circle (CJ).

    You mentioned this website is now your main source of income. Presumably a good chunk of that comes from business members who pay $1,000 p.a. to advertise here which could potentially affect partiality on your behalf so kudos for raising this issue.

    I don't think we're all imagining things if this thread exists eh? If you see certain posters constantly spruiking their own products or lying about the competition then report them if you think it helps achieve anything.

    See above. Yep I've been posting here since 2002 (wow 15yrs already and I remember your elephant riding avatar from Thailand when you first joined) and utilised some business members here with disappointing results so you can't say or assume anyone who pays $1,000 to be a biz member automatically provides a good service or knows their stuff. Seems to be quite a few brokers here who are business members but only started posting a few years ago and don't seem very experienced based on some of their posts but good on them for having a go.

    It shouldn't have any affect if people are recommending businesses they've actually used before and had a good experience.
     
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    Good post
    Totally agree, the resistance is breathtaking,
    it takes courage to make change.

    Yes kudos to Sim for raising the issue.
     
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    It's very ironic that the very people this thread is targeted, are some of the vocal ones all for some type of change.

    For whatever reason (ie. Throwing the toys out of the cot because they aren't getting enough recommendations OR because of fear of competition in an area/expertise, OR they need to create threads/posts that incite being able to recommend their own like-fest ), the irony demonstrates that some people are so naive or oblivious that they are part of the problem.

    Some people on this site are so far up themselves that it's hard to determine how far ones head and shoulders are up the exit chute of the anatomy.

    Some people need a good hard look at themselves. Can anyone recommend a Glazier? Several mirrors required.

    pinkboy
     
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