LVR's and Offsets

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  1. XBenX

    XBenX Well-Known Member

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    I was wondering whether people generally look at the effective/net LVR or always quote the gross LVR. For example:

    Fred
    $1m property
    $800k loan
    $0 offset
    80% LVR

    Jane
    $1m property
    $800K loan
    $800 offset
    XX% LVR

    a/ 80%
    b/ 0%

    ?
     
  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    a) from a lending point of view
    But the loan could be paid off at any stage - it may also not be paid off at any stage!
     
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    Redom Mortgage Broker Business Plus Member

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    I find people often quote it as b) but lenders view it as a). We've adjusted our fact find to account for people quoting it as b).
     
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    Ross Forrester Well-Known Member

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    I quote it as "b" but disclose it to banks and in my estate planning as "a".
     
  5. dabbler

    dabbler Well-Known Member

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    I would call it 80LVR, simply because that is the loan amount outstanding.
     
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  6. albanga

    albanga Well-Known Member

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    It's called LVR so it's 80%.
    You could make a new term of OVR and then it would be 0%.
     
  7. Phantom

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    It's a). The LVR is still 80%. The fact that you have the funds in an offset is irrelevant. From a personal balance sheet perspective, it's b). Because you have an asset in cash sitting on one side and a liability sitting on the other which with net difference of nil.
     
  8. D.T.

    D.T. Specialist Property Manager Business Member

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    Schrödinger's Loan theory ? :)
     
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  9. Jamie Moore

    Jamie Moore MORTGAGE BROKER - AUSTRALIA WIDE Business Member

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    Yep - my experience too.

    The Fact Find session may reveal that a property has a reasonably low LVR. Then when it comes to looking over mortgage statements you see that the loan limit is higher than the client had mentioned and/or thought.

    Cheers

    Jamie
     
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  10. paulF

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    On a similar note, Any benfefit in calculating LVR's based on the original price of the property and not the current value?

    For example:
    Property original price: 500k (Property current estimated value 700K)
    Current Loan value: 300K (paid off 200k)
    LVR based on original value: 60%
    LVR based on original value: 42.86%

    Cheers
     
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    dabbler Well-Known Member

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    You use current value, well that is what lenders will be looking at.
     
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    tobe Well-Known Member

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    It's a good idea. Similr theory used by buffet and a lot of value investors with their share portfolios.
     
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    @dabbler , that's very true from a serviceability point of view but it feels like using the original value gives me a better/more realistic view(maybe a more conservative view) of how i'm doing with that debt that i borrowed.