Logic for valuing a site with a Development Approval

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  1. wombat777

    wombat777 Well-Known Member

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    I'm trying to work out some sound logic for arriving at the value of a site if it was sold with a DA. Would appreciate some input as to whether this logic is sound. Anyone with actual experience putting a value on a DA-approved site?

    My reasoning is to work back from estimated development sales ( based on comparables ).

    To arrive at the high price ( the maximum the builder would pay )
    • My current logic is to estimate total development sales (9 units), deduct demolition, construction costs and any other costs the builder needs to pay to arrive a maximum price the builder would be willing to pay.
      • In the scenario - the only margin the builder is making is their margin on the build cost, in this case approx $283k.
    To arrive at the low price ( negotiating room )
    • Reduce the sell price by 10% - this would have the affect of providing the builder with additional margin / profit

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    NB - for the scenario above I would be looking at an after-tax profit of $350k to $420k (although this could reasonably jump into $500k to $570k range assuming 5% to 10% movement in the market given a year or 2)

    Build cost is for a low-rise, 9 x 2 bedders, low spec, low-tier builder, no lift, basement parking.
     
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    What is the dimension of the site?

    Today auction in St Alban activity zone. Allowing 4 storey high. 615sqm site (15x40 m).

    My estimate the site can be turned into 10-12 apartments.
    Sydney investor snaps up St Albans house for $1.81 million at auction
     
  3. Scott No Mates

    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

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    Calculate the EMV of the 9 units, $2,790,000
    Less development margin @20%, $700,000
    Less construction, $1,440,000
    Less contributions, $130,000
    Less strata, $10,000
    Total, $2,280,000

    That leaves $510k for you

    GST, $250,000
    Sales comms, $140,000
    Holding costs, $100,000

    Leaves only $210,000 for the developer
     
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    The site is a small one ( 455sqm ) so constrained with what can be done.

    Damm - silly error - I forgot the builder's holding costs!!!
     
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    What figures from above did you total to get 700k development margin?
     
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    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

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    25% of $2,800,000 - not 20%

    You also have to know what developers are paying/unit - in this case around $55k-60k/unit.
     
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    Claim gst margin scheme. The gst bill will be about 70k.
     
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    @Scott No Mates are these amounts a builder's raw build costs you are typically seeing for low spec 2-bedders?

    Seems super low if it includes balcony/private open space, common areas and basement ... ?
     
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    Just using your figures - you need to speak with agents to find out how much developers are paying per site. Around my way it's over $200k (raw) and selling over $1m - they're not basic or entry level and outstrip the fhbg limit by 100%+
     
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    No sites with DAs have been sold in the area yet. As it has only rezoned in the last 12-18 months, developers have been snapping them up at regular single-allotment residential prices. That will change soon I hope as the area is a "priority development area" ( somewhat dependent on state & federal governments committing funds for the planned Uni ).

    I think I'm looking at price per dwelling in the $330k to $370k range ( today's prices ) and so need raw build costs that are quite low. Can hopefully get some price growth once funding happens.

    There is a large local developer that has approved DAs nearby ( issued several years ago and extended ). He would be waiting for govt funding commitments before starting pre-sales.
     
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    I am not an accountant but we use the margin scheme, I think it works out less than 10%, at least from what developments. I leave this with my accountant, over my head
     
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    oops I just read this, said the same
     
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    I assumed that all numbers going in are ex-gst (except for specifically exempt costs eg SD, Levies), so some credits may be applied.
     
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    You are on the right track, work backwards all costs from your selling point.

    In the first instance I would be contacting a re agent in the area to find out as OP mentioned, what builders are paying per lot/market value. Builders would want at least 20% profit, of course their building costs will be less per sqm.

    I would also find out whether there is a market for this product, your pool of buyers may be smaller because its 9 units, finance harder to source etc.

    Builders will look at the design of the units if they are not good, or they think the product wont sell you will have a hard time selling.

    I just sold my 3 townhouse DA to a builder, I have 2 offers in 1 week, ticked the boxes and the builder will be making 25% profit. I achieved slightly higher price than lot values for the area.

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    yes of course.
     
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    I'm doing the hard yards now to work out what I need to do. No real comparables yet ( with development sites ). The area will go through quite significant change ( due to the rezoning and it's priority status ). I'm monitoring DAs via planningalerts.org.au to see what other developers will be doing ( although I think they are all waiting ).

    Current thought is to get concept plans done soon so I can work out more accurate numbers and run them by builders/developers. Will then kick off the design and planning process once I see the right things starting to happen.

    On this site I could also do 3-4 dwellings kind of like row houses but know where near as much profit if selling with a DA, although may be able to develop it myself.
     
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    That's good

    Another important factor is market condition, best time to sell a development project or DA is when the market is strong. Much harder to sell if market slows down, that's when developers get stuck with stock and DA is costly exercise

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    A 1200m2 site in Redcliffe submitted for 28 unit about 2 months ago. It's an urban site..

    4-8 Sutton Street, Redcliffe
     
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    Thanks @RetireRich101. There are a few in Scarborough and Margate too. If you notice any for 15m frontage sites and approx 607sqm I'd be particularly interested.
     
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