"Little known tax strategy"

Discussion in 'Accounting & Tax' started by LifesGood, 24th May, 2016.

Join Australia's most dynamic and respected property investment community
Tags:
  1. Elives

    Elives Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    988
    Location:
    Queensland
    in layman's terms you are saying it's not a good idea / is it illegal? :s
     
  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    41,982
    Location:
    Australia wide
    Certainly not. I suggest the strategy you outlined a few posts ago is a good strategy and worth considering.
     
  3. rjw180

    rjw180 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    1st Jul, 2015
    Posts:
    181
    Location:
    Melbourne
    On a related topic. Say you live in a house for 1 year then move out and rent it out as your IP for LONGER than 6 years.

    When it comes to sell, can you claim the Capital Gains over the first 7 years as tax-exempt? (On the assumption that it was still your PPOR for up to 6 years after you move out)
     
  4. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    41,982
    Location:
    Australia wide
    Tax Tip 109: CGT and Being absent from the main residence for more than 6 years
     
    Perthguy likes this.
  5. Daniel Taborsky

    Daniel Taborsky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    10th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    159
    Location:
    Perth, WA
    Some of the factors the ATO will look at when determining whether you are in a defacto relationship under para (b) are:
    (a) the duration of the relationship;
    (b) the nature and extent of their common residence;
    (c) whether a sexual relationship exists;
    (d) the degree of financial dependence or interdependence, and any arrangements for financial support, between them;
    (e) the ownership, use and acquisition of their property;
    (f) the degree of mutual commitment to a shared life;
    (g) the care and support of children;
    (h) the reputation and public aspects of the relationship.​
     
  6. Daniel Taborsky

    Daniel Taborsky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    10th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    159
    Location:
    Perth, WA
    Paul, could you explain what you mean by this? What would be an example where the Commisssioner would want to reduce/exclude income under Part IVA?
     
  7. Paul@PAS

    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    23,517
    Location:
    Sydney
    Lets say a taxpayer deliberately overstates income. I have seen a tax benefit from doing this. Its very rare but can happen. Think super deductions and gifts. Both these deductions have a capped issue which prevents a loss.

    Often becomes a issue when a later amended NOA occurs
     
  8. Daniel Taborsky

    Daniel Taborsky Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    10th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    159
    Location:
    Perth, WA
    Are you talking about bringing income forward to an earlier income year? I can see how this could create a tax benefit but Part IVA could apply to the subsequent year(s) were income is understated.
     
  9. rjw180

    rjw180 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    1st Jul, 2015
    Posts:
    181
    Location:
    Melbourne
  10. House

    House Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    13th Sep, 2015
    Posts:
    929
    Location:
    Sydney

    So a buyer buys and moves into a PPOR with the the full intention of turning it into an IP in 3 months. They get a slightly better mortgage rate and reduced council costs because it's a PPOR.

    How easy can it be with the bank, ATO etc to convert it into an IP? Could the bank increase their rate due to the quick change in the purpose of the mortgage? Would all usual investor benefits such as NG, depreciation etc begin once it becomes an IP?
     
  11. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    41,982
    Location:
    Australia wide
    The purpose of the loan (not mortgage) is to acquire the property. If that property is later rented the interest would be deductible - doesn't matter what the loan with the bank says (owner occ/investment).

    Banks would increase the rate if they found out.

    All the usual expenses are deductible.

    Note that if you are doing this just to get a tax deduction - you should seek specific tax advice.
     
    Perthguy and House like this.
  12. Username86

    Username86 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    31st May, 2016
    Posts:
    139
    Location:
    Perth
    In my experience they aren't really interested once the loan is settled. I had a ppor I turned to ip and when I applied for another loan for a separate ip I declared the rental income on the original property for serviceability and no one noticed that I was paying interest as a ppor. Both loans are with the same bank and different interest rates due to one being ppor still.
     
  13. Roshy

    Roshy Active Member

    Joined:
    12th Jul, 2015
    Posts:
    34
    Location:
    Victoria
    Hi
    I currently have a PROP where I wish to rent part of the house out. Will I still be qualified for the CGT exemption, or does CGT somehow has to be apportioned out because I am renting part of the house?
    Thanks
     
  14. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    41,982
    Location:
    Australia wide
    Roshy likes this.
  15. Roshy

    Roshy Active Member

    Joined:
    12th Jul, 2015
    Posts:
    34
    Location:
    Victoria
    Terry_w likes this.