Legal Tip 228: Trusts and Privacy or how to hide ownership of a brothel

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  1. thu555

    thu555 Well-Known Member

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    I've got a question on bare trust.

    I own 3 properties [ 1 PPOR & 2 IP] under my name and 7 properties in 3 trusts. I want to transfer 2 more properties into the trust leaving my PPOR under my name only. The issue regarding transferring 2 properties into the trust is that I'd be caught with stamp duty again.

    The reason I want to transfer 2 more properties into the trust is to free up my serviceability. Is it possible to create a bare trust (I can appoint one of the non trading company as a trustee that I have) to take on 2 properties that are under my name? By doing this, I can get a loan under the bare trust & the title should be listed in my bare trust? One day when I have completed paying off the debt, I can transfer from bare trust into my individual name again?

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  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Its possible to transfer a title to the trustee of a bare trust without duty (or $500) and without CGT.
    But if you declare to the lender that the company is acting as bare trustee they will not lend.
     
  3. thu555

    thu555 Well-Known Member

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    Can I appoint another trust (example is a discretionary trust) as a trustee instead of another company?
    In that way, I can show the discretionary trust deed when I apply for the loan.
     
  4. Paul@PAS

    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    A trustee must be a legal person ie a human, humans or a (one) company. A trust cant be a trustee as it not a person. Its a legal relationship.

    The trustee is shown on the deed and will be the loan applicant. Directors or human trustees will also give a personal guarantee
     
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    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    thu555 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for providing the information.

    Now, I want to understand in a SMSF environment, how can a bare trust obtain a loan for the SMSF to acquire properties?

    Would this be the same that the bare trust obtain a loan for me (individual name) to acquire properties?

    If I appoint a non trading company as a trustee of a baretrust, wouldn't the bare trustee's director (me again) just need to guarantee the asset?
     
  7. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    With superfunds it is not really a bare trust, but a custodian trust.
    Lenders have designed special products for these.

    But for standard bare trusts no lender will lend.