Landlord said to use his handyman to put up 3M hooks?

Hi,

I asked my PM if we can put up some 3M damage-free hooks and she told me landlord said to use his handyman to put up them properly. I have never heard about this kind of rules. How to fight for our rights?

 

What do you want to fight?
Is the landlord going to pay for their handyman to come and put them up for you?

 

If they're those damage free ones where you just peel the bit off the back then I'd just go ahead.

At the end of your lease when they do their final inspection take them down. If there's no damage then they won't have anything to ping you on.

 

The problem is if we just do it, my PM and landlord may see them at the routine inspection...

 

Dear Kai,
what does it say on your lease?
rather than fighting for your rights, I think it will be best to check what it says on your contract? Much more peaceful! I hope this helps

 

common sense prevails, I hope!

 

Don't use those 3m things! And if you do get the LL to organise it!
They are **** and when the time comes to pull them off there is a good chance they'll peel the paint off with them. It happened to us, we(wife against my advice!) put some up thinking we'd take them off at the end of lease but we forgot and luckily the pm had a go and damaged the paint so we wiped out hands with it.

If you want hooks advise the pm where you want them, they may want you to use a handy man and likely at your cost

 

Actually sorry I shouldn't defame 3m.it's a combination of 3m and the unknown quality of paint they're stuck too

 

I've had the same problem @bob shovel - they have peeled off the paint in numerous places (even when following all the instructions, removed them carefully, blah, blah, blah….)

Another issue I've had with them is, even though I've kept well under the weight limit, they've come off the walls months after I've put them up (usually in the warmer weather - I think they lose their 'stickiness' - the glue almost melts in the heat). I now have chunks taken out of the plaster work and damage on timber floors due to the falling items creating damage.

Be careful @Kai41314 - if you end up with the same problem, you could end up with the damage bill to go with it.

 

Those 3m things take the paint off. Just pinged one of my tenants for it who is vacating.

 

You are permitted to place hooks in a property so long as you rectify at the end of the tenancy.

If the landlord is in agreement for you to place hooks (albeit at cost through his choice of contractor) and is willing to accept said hooks at the end of the tenancy it is up to you to weigh up which option is better in your circumstances.

If you go with the landlord, remember to have everything documented in writing and the PM holding a copy.

 

My PM hates those hooks and will tell tenants off for putting them up. The damage they have done in properties leads me to believe they are not 'damage free'

 

The agent is right. Get the landlords maintenance person to put them up - record date and time and ensure that they know at the end of your lease that they were the ones who put them up.

Landlord will pay the maintenance person.

It won't matter if they see it at a routine inspection, what will matter is the end of lease inspection where you will be able to tell where they were because the paint peeled off.

I have had numerous bond disputes where we've had to repair damage to walls caused by those damn sticky things that tenants use with no permission. We win every time because it is very easy to show before and after photos of walls.

Or - make good where damage is done - patch paint with colour matched paint at the end of your lease.

 

I really hate them too and I hate it when they leave them on walls at the end of a tenancy - they are not easy to take off and yes they damage walls.

 

What does your states tenancy laws say. That is the instrument you have to abide by, not the agents directive.

RESIDENTIAL TENANCIES ACT 1997 - SECT 64 Tenant must not install fixtures etc. without consent

There is no requirement for you to use the managers handyman or any professional, only for you to have approval from the landlord and to make good on any damage at the end of tenancy.

 

I don't know why more landlords don't just put in a few hooks to start with. It seemsto come up often.

 

I agree
some are more attached to walls than others but yes some landlords do put them up properly and leave the there.

 

We moved to a new place and the LL was ok with hooks but they approve the locations we suggest and we cover the cost.

To avoid the hook dilemma get the local hoodlums to graffiti a mural for you, cause the 3M or rectifying hook holes will likely need the whole wall painted anyway! Go nuts!

 

In my NSW IP, we had some new tenants that sent a formal email to my PM if it was okay if they used 3M hooks... I had no issues with it and was shocked I received an email ASKING if it was okay to use the 3M hooks.

At end of the day, as long as it looks the same at the outgoing as it was at the ingoing, I'll be happy.