Land Tax State By State Territory By Territory 2019

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  1. gty12

    gty12 Well-Known Member

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    Hey all,

    I scoured the internet for this information and couldn’t find it all in one place thus I decided to do it myself.

    This is a land tax table for individuals as at 14/03/2019 and without taking into account any exemptions/additions.

    I put the figures in $ per week as that way it was easy to relate back to the rent on your portfolio.

    I hope someone finds this useful.

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    One might be forgiven for thinking that for example TAS would be a bad place to grow a portfolio over VIC in using these numbers, but I encourage one to think of it this way:

    Land tax is typically based off land/site value in Australia which isn’t the same as market value. It is often far less than market value.


    Thus follow this analysis, imagine a really simplistic example where you had the choice of a $4 million portfolio in VIC representing $3 million in land value, over a similar sized portfolio in TAS.

    The numbers would say VIC is a better choice from a land tax perspective with a $16,000 saving, but…

    If you focus entirely on Melbourne houses then a reasonable yield (rental return) may be 4%, whereas in TAS a reasonable Hobart house yield may be 5.5%.

    4% of $4 million is $160,000 rent per annum, whereas in Hobart 5.5% of $4 million is $220,000=that is a difference of over $60,000 per year far outweighing the yearly land tax difference.


    And we haven’t even discussed the stamp duty differences between the states, let alone expense differences of assets...

    Nonetheless I do still think the following table is useful and am not surprised that some of the states with the worst affordability happen to have some of the most relaxed land taxes. I get it that these states have higher asset prices but still the percentages at $3,000,000 or even getting close to that...

    Note on the whole WA Metro versus Non-Metro, I can't find a map of it but basically it is special levy on the area of Metro Perth.

    Cheers.
     
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  2. qak

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    Could you add in to the tables the thresholds at which land tax becomes payable, and actual % rates?
     
  3. gty12

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    I might try, but it isn't that simple as they don't do their measurements all the same way. For example some have flat percentage whereas others have a fixed portion and then percentages. I'll see how I go.
     
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    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

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    Also, one thing to remember $3,000,000 of property in Adelaide would be a lot more property than you'd get for the same $ value in Sydney or Melbourne.
     
  5. gty12

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    Here is the rates breakdown:
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    By my maths on the highest threshold (i.e. an $11,000,001 portfolio), the worst state is South Australia by quite a long way. The best at said threshold, bar the NT which has no land tax, ironically is the ACT.

    Meaning no disrespect but @D.T. how do your owners deal with this?
     
  6. Paul@PAS

    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    Land tax thresholds are very important to each owner type as most land owners will use some or all of their threshold and pay no tax or far less tax than is implied by the scales. The tax free value and the land value in each state are relevant to the final cost per week for rent. Its highly misleading and incorrect to assume that land tax rates apply to every dollar of unimproved land value.

    Also some entities / owners have a different threshold. (eg NSW and non-fixed trusts or many states for trusts)

    Land tax surcharges may also be relevant

    Land tax is based on the unimproved land value however some states (eg NSW) modify the land
    tax scales, rates or thresholds. For example in NSW the average of three years values is used as the taxable value which has a threshold applied. The threshold is indexed annually unlike Vic where is have been capped for a long time. A scaled in tax rate applies to Vic which imposes a far higher % of tax to incremental land value and is non-linear.
     
  7. wylie

    wylie Moderator Staff Member

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    I've taken a screenshot from Queensland and I've not done the calculations to see if the chart above is right for Queensland.

    The cut off in Queensland is $599,999 before land tax kicks in. Between $600,000 and $999,999 things aren't too bad.

    Once value goes over $1m it really starts to hurt.

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  8. Mill

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    I recently crunched some land tax numbers for individuals in QLD, NSW, VIC & SA. I made a chart based on my calcs and find it very interesting to view the data this way.

    Please verify before using this information for any decision making. There are many caveats and limitations to this snapshot of data but I find it a good starting point
     

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  9. euro73

    euro73 Well-Known Member Business Member

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    If you are paying land tax you have first world problems...
     
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  10. wylie

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    If you have more than a roof over your head you have first world problems. It still is a tax that is changing the direction we are taking and I’m sure we are not alone in wishing the threshold would shift even a bit. Our land tax doubled over the past few years and we will soon be losing nearly 30% of our gross rent.

    No wonder many people just don’t bother to try to self fund their retirement and just sit back and expect a pension.
     
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    euro73 Well-Known Member Business Member

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    My land tax bill this year was a touch under $18,000. I consider it one of the costs of doing business...ie holding a large portfolio worth 8 digits

    But I would agree that in some states the threshold is way too low.
     
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  12. Chris s

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    Im in SA, does anyone know if the land tax of your ppor is included in the land tax estimate? E.G. ppor+ip1 is >369 tax free threshold and you pay or you just count the IP's?
     
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    PPOR's are exempt in every state as far as I know...
     
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    Tell me about if...I at over 12k per annum in Qld...I don't mind paying it but the growth is not as good.

    My portfolio in VIC is more then double the size but only pay 6k.....go figure...:rolleyes:
     
  15. Ben_j

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    I’ve just received my first land tax bill for VIC. There’s an option to pay it all now or pay over 4 instalments at the same cost.

    What’s the catch here?

    Is there any disadvantage paying this in instalments?
     
  16. wylie

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    We paid $11.6k this year and it will jump $13.9k next year, on just two properties.

    Rental income from those two properties is $51.4k.

    We are losing over one quarter of the gross rent to land tax, before rates, utilities, insurance etc. This is a big part of our push to change our direction.
     
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    We paid using this method this year to minimise disrupting our cashflow as we had bills coming in that we didn't have much control over and didn't want to pay land tax upfront and then find ourselves short.

    There was no downside. If we didn't have the funds in the account on the day they were due, it meant they would take action to take the remainder immediately. Read the fine print. It worked well for our cashflow this year.

    I diarised each payment to ensure the funds were there.
     
  18. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    watch the deductibility issues. if you go into next financial year the land tax won't be deductible.

    See
    Land tax can only be claimed in the year in which it relates to - not the year in which it was paid. ATO ID 2010/192 (now withdrawn, but law still current).
    Tax Tip 8: Forgotten land Tax
     
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  19. wylie

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    Gee. I hadn't thought about that. In Queensland the land tax bills we get are due in November. It relates to land held as at 30 June so there is no problems with splitting the bills spread over November and through into the early part of the new year. All are paid in the same tax year.

    I'm guessing those states where land tax is determined by holdings at 31 December (?) the accounts would be due and even split accounts would be paid within the tax year? Surely they'd get this right?
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Commonwealth and State legislation doesn't 'match up'