Is Sydney the world's largest debt fueled housing bubble?

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  1. Pete Arendt

    Pete Arendt Well-Known Member

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    We all know that Australia has the 2nd highest level of household debt in the world, a de-stabilising 191 per cent of household disposable income.

    Has anyone seen this in the FinRevew today:

    Sydney's huge housing investment debt, compared with other Australian cities

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    With so much debt concentrated in the Sydney property bubble, does this mean Sydney has the world's largest debt fueled housing bubble?

    And if so, what is going to happen when the boom turns to the inevitable bust?
     
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    I think the graph should be at the very least normalised by population, but I am surprised at the difference between sydney and melbourne considering their similar populations-ish.
     
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    The graph is old. Since then there has been more investor activity in Melbourne than in Sydney.
     
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    Good point
     
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    Evidence that it's "de-stabilising"?

    No.

    It's not a bubble and it won't bust. It's a boom and it will correct like it always does.
     
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    That will be the Banks problem ,and once you scope down on just the Australia wide %numbers on ppor that are unencumbered it would paint a different picture..
     
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    Look at those job vacancies! Screen Shot 2018-09-28 at 8.01.14 am.png
     
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    But do those unencumbered PPOR's help either the banks or heavily indebted borrowers balance sheets? They aren't really relevant.

    If I'm in a lot of debt, how does it help me that both my neighbours have their houses paid off.
     
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    I think the point being made is that a speculative debt bubble will burst and the market will crash. How many properties are over leveraged is very relevant to this discussion as is the number of unencumbered properties. Will a handful of forced sales crash the market if a large number of properties are unencumbered and the owners are not forced to sell?

    To use your analogy, you are in a lot of debt, interest rates go up and you are forced to sell. That is relevant to you but is it relevant to the market?
     
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    I think the emphasis on economic inequality is over rated in Australia..
     
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    With this in mind, which global markets are exhibiting the most bubble risk?
     
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    Hasn’t UBS also been saying Australian real estate is over valued for the last 10 years +?

    A quick search indicating 5 - 20% declines in 2018.

    https://www.thechainsaw.com/australia-house-price-outlook-ubs-credit-crunch-2018-5/amp

    I’m not saying there is no risk etc, but someone with a very poor track record may not be a great source of their analysis.
     
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