Installing LED downlights

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  1. Harry30

    Harry30 Well-Known Member

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    Received a quote from a sparky today to replace 39 downlights in my house (all bedrooms and living areas have them). Current downlights have the old style globes so looking to replace with the new energy efficient LED ones. So, job involves removing the fitting and replacing with the new ‘unit’ (cavity in the gyprock ceiling is standard size so it should be a straight replacement). House is in metro Melbourne which is reasonably close to the sparky (limited travelling time for him).

    He quoted $50 per downlight + $69 service fee.

    I looked up the downlights he recommended on a couple of sites and they can be purchased for about $15 each (so, he is charging ~$35 per downlight).

    So, total labour is about $1,400.

    Is this fair value?
     
  2. Indifference

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    Maybe... Are the existing lights Halogens with in roof transformers? If so, the new ones will require them to be removed along with the existing fittings....
     
  3. Harry30

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    Attached is a picture of one I pulled down from the roof cavity.

    I assume the black attachment is the transformer.

    I suspect they were all installed about 10 years ago.
     
  4. Indifference

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    You should get a 2nd quote. If they are just straight change outs like that, they don't take very long to do so the hourly rate you'd end paying would be rather high if the labour component is indeed $35 per fitting.
     
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  5. jared7825

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    Depending on the brand/size etc of downlight his price could be even cheaper. I think that the total price is excessive for what’s involved here

    I just had an IP changed over to all new LED and had plug ends installed on the ceiling wiring so the LEDs just plug in using a normal socket, 16 lights took about 2 hours, was plenty of length on the ceiling wiring makes life easy
     
  6. James90

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    Fairly standard pricing. Electrician will probably install a plug base on the cable, they are about 4$ea depending on brand, so that's another $150 on the materials side of things.

    If you want it cheaper tell him you will supply the lights and you will dispose of the old fittings.
     
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    Plug base in bulk are $40 for packs of 25.

    Let’s say it’s an 8 hour job, including travel and materials purchase, which is very generous for that volume of downlight change outs minus material costs that’s about $170/hour.
     
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  8. Kent Cliffe

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    Supply the materials and ask a few sole trader sparkies for a day rate. The other option is setting up an account with a labour-hire firm and get a 1x day casual labour rate for an electrician. The charge rate is about $50-$60+ an hour (4-hour min).
     
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    Coconutwheels Well-Known Member

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    Isn't there some sort of Vic gov rebate for changing over your old halogen down lights to LED? Or has it finished now?
     
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    Are they the same diameter? If not, it's a reasonable price! If they are, then yes, get a sparky on an hourly rate to do it for you and free issue the lights.
     
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    In NSW there is currently a grant scheme available. A number of companies are charging a $30 fee to convert an entire house LEDs (and the company gets the gov rebate).

    So even accounting for a change of downlight size, there should be a significant saving to be had.

    A quick google suggests this is the Vic scheme:
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    Cheers,
    Inertia.
     
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  12. lightbulbmoment

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    This is bang on , totally fair price. It will be done properly and your lights will come with a 5 to 7 year warranty.

    But your obvs fishing to pay the bare minimum price so get on air tasker find a DIYer and youll be back here next week asking how to take him to fair trading because they have stopped working
     
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    Really bad advice.
    1. Sparky will not put a warranty on your lights and materials as you have supplied them.
    2. You will get charged alot more then For Labour hire.
    Much better off supporting a local friendly electrician who has a family rather then a big Labour hire corporation.
     
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    And that's ho
    Working out a business owners hourly rate is very typical for someone on wages. Your paying for alot more then purely just an exchange of Labour for 1 hour.
     
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    What's the real estates hourly rate when his receives his commission for his latest 2mill sydney sale??
     
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    It might or might not be a fair price. When you break it down as you have it "seems" excessive but when you factor in that he has presumably already done travel time to the establishment, inspection, quote time, insurance/overheads, picking up the new supplies, going to site, doing the work in a professional warranted way with appropriate insurances it may well only make him a reasonable amount of money.
     
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    I don't work for wages and I also own and operate a business for many years. You can roll business operating and administrative costs into an average hourly figure and then there is the actual labor component. Any decent business owner would know these costs and what they need to see per hour based on their workloads

    For a direct change over of downlights the price quoted is excessive in my opinion and experience and also some others feel the same way.

    This is Irrelevant to Electrical work, why not compare the hourly rate to a Bank CEO while we are at it? lets be realistic and compare apples to apples.
     
  18. lightbulbmoment

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    Price isn't excessive at all. Spot on.
    Will defo find cheaper though but remember the poor man pays twice.
     
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    Post the job on Hipages. I find the guys who respond are hungry for work and quote much more competitively
     
  20. lightbulbmoment

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    The absolute worst of apps. 3 guys have to pay for a lead and the customer dictates the price. Pray to God it doesn't last