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I'm doing another Airbnb pad - reluctantly

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  1. Depreciator

    Depreciator Moderator Staff Member

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    I have a local flat that is vacant on Monday. It's the one I renovated earlier this year and the short term tenants are moving on.
    I had no takers for it as a permanent rental via an agent at $420pw, so I thought I might Airbnb it, but put it on for a minimum stay of 30 nights.
    Looking on Airbnb yesterday when I did a search of flats available for 30 days from October 1 at under $3,000pw, only 13 showed up - and some of them were a fair way out of town.
    I put it on Airbnb and Gumtree.
    The Gumtree listing was $495 per week and I got a hit in a couple of hours. He's having a look on Saturday and I suspect he will take it.
    The Airbnb listing worked out at $580 per week and I got a hit on that overnight. Pity I sort of said the Gumtree bloke got in first.
    Decent priced furnished accommodation is very hard to find in Sydney. Just as well I have a lot of spare furniture.
     
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    When we came back from a year stint at overseas, we were looking for short term (3-4 months) furnished accommodation in Sydney- it was very very hard. We thought we got one from furnishedaccommodation.com.au but was cancelled by them due to storm damage. We end up renting a run down unit around parra and costing nearly $650 per week
     
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    This post has inspired me along with the success @Gockie has had with Airbnb.

    Here's my situation on an IP in Alexandria.
    Large 1-bed, 1.5 bath with balcony (65sqm total with 55sqm internally) and pool/lift/supermarket/bbq area in building. Very close to green square station and cafes.

    First question: what would say 'minimum 1 week' airbnb achieve for this property? Currently I'm getting 475pw from a fixed tenant. Is say 900-1000pw reasonable for this type?

    Second: what standard is expected for this location and type? I.e. obviously each week I'd leave a weeks worth of linens, toilettries, tea towels etc. But anything else? I would need to furnish so.. high end i guess bed, lounge, dining table (there is a study nook too). I guess i'd need to pay for all utilities of course plus broadband. Anything else? Flowers/plants? Bbq on balcony? A local guidebook for the area? A bottle of wine/champers in the fridge??

    I ask because im in a rock and a hard place with the tenant...I've got a great tenant who has been there for 10+ years. Tenant is on month to month and pays below market rent. Tried to bring tenant rent up via agent and also get them on a 12 month fixed lease. Tenant won't have a bar of it and will threaten to leave if rent is too high. At the lower rate on month to month tenant is happy to stay a long time! It is a risk because with all the new OTP in the area dumping on markets, tenant could easily jump ship to a brand spanking new rental, fpr same rate as id increase rent here, to.

    Any guidance from those executing this strategy currently, would be great!
     
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    @C-mac you're expecting the same rent from a 10+ year old property as a brand newie? Not going to happen even if you repainted and refurbished.
     
  5. Depreciator

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    Without knowing the market in Alexandria, I'm sure you could double the current rent per week on Airbnb, but....
    1. You need to furnish the place. Not flash, but at $900 per week it needs to be well equipped. Furniture is easy, but boy there is a lot of little stuff you need to get for a kitchen especially.
    2. You might have problems doing Airbnb in your building - lots of hosts have that issue.
    3. Yes, you will be paying utilities.
    4. You're going to need a cleaner solution.
    5. There will be vacancies in the winter.
     
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    As @Depreciator suggested, you can double the rent when doing AirBnB. Take into consideration the points he suggested, especially cleaning!

    I have detailed my experience with AirBnB
    Would you AirBnB your IP ?

    I would recommend it, but you need to look at it as part time job. If you have more than 4 places then it becomes full time job.
     
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    Depreciator Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, the cleaning. If you pay someone it eats into your profits and they will inevitably let you down. If you do it yourself, you ideallyneed to live close-by.
    I'm doing this flat minimum 30 days rental because I don't want to deal with it too much despite the fact that it's only a ten minute walk away. (The 30 day minimum should also ensure I don't get other residents off-side.)
     
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    C-mac. I'd bank on $850 per week. Just Ikea level furniture is fine. I found European students moving out of Sydney, all their stuff was ikea (and with instructions) and bought nearly everything off them for a song. Everything was no older than 18 months old.

    Winter I had no vacancies (just make the prices reasonable) and New years jack the prices right up.
     
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    @Depreciator... Airbnb has started a new thing in Sydney where other people can host your spaces and they just get a cut. You wont need to have such high min stays and increase your yields potentially.
     
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    Often on Gumtree people sell whole house lots of furniture and stuff - I'm guessing it's usually overseas students returning home.
    I had heard about that Airbnb thing, Gockie. With getting other people to manage the property, the increased revenue from more frequent renting would possibly be absorbed by their fee. It's a good thing for people who don't live close to their property, though.
     
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    That's exactly how I bought. :)
    I think so... I could do it for my Brisbane one. But I wouldnt want to be the doer (unless I worked very parttime)... i'd rather be the owner.
     
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    I did the numbers on getting someone else to manage it for a fee and all you would get is extra 30% than what you would get if you rented long term.
     
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    Okay, so the bloke from Gumtree who looked at flat moves in tonight. It's $495pw and the place was only vacant 5 days. It will be an open ended arrangement as he is not sure how long he is going to stay in Sydney. I would have had in total 10 enquiries from Airbnb and Gumtree combined.
    One enquiry was from a local couple who need to move out for a few months while a reno happens to their home.
    If the bloke bails before Christmas, I will fill it easily and at a higher rent. He's a good guy and will give me plenty of notice.
    So I have confirmed that modest, short term furnished property in good locations in Sydney is very sought after. I would only ever consider doing it for a minimum stay of one month because I can't be bothered managing more frequent turnovers.
    Scott
     
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    Theres a huge demand for short term rentals of less than 6 months....
     
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    Property managers hate them, of course - it's a hassle keeping track of the inventory. They discourage people doing it which keeps the supply very scarce.
     
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    Would be interested to see how you get on with the 1mth thing. That i think would be better than frequent short stays
     
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    It's only a ten minute walk from home, but I'm not interested in doing shorter stays there. More money, but more work. In my other flat around the corner, I have just had people move out after a one year stay. That one was nice and easy to manage.
     
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    By good locations do you mean inner city? Where is your unit located? and is parking important? I have some in Ultimo area but would need to be minimum 2 months stay as per body corp in accordance with sydney city council rules so perhaps they're not suitable.
     
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    So true! my PM hates furnished apartments for long term rentals, let alone short term.
     
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    If Body Corp specifically says min 2 month stay, personally I wouldn't try to do it there. Ps. Best to have a car space too.