How Long Will it take to RETIRE on SHARES

Discussion in 'Financial Independence, Retire Early (FIRE)' started by MTR, 5th May, 2017.

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  1. The Y-man

    The Y-man Moderator Staff Member

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    Great point. If I can generate $250k pa income and aren't going to use it all, it would be rather silly because of the tax I'd have to pay. I really only need to generate what I need to live on as income, and keep the rest in more tax effective assets which may not generate income (eg CG resi props)

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  2. DJC

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    The formula I use is:
    Wealth / income is directly proportional to -
    Time x compound rate x savings rate.

    Just trying to keep it simple. The hardest thing is understanding how much is enough.
     
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  3. virgo

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    Huh??

    Please explain:)...as the redhead would say...
     
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  4. DJC

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    Love the quote!!!
    I will try to explain how my mind works - this is just my take on behavioural finance.
    The key parameters I can have an impact on in creating wealth or passive income are:
    - The length of time I allow investments to compound. The younger you start the more time you would normally have. As I seriously started invested in shares at 50 years old my time is limited, by, well the limit of my life.
    - The compound rate I choose to invest with, is really a choice based on the most likely best relatively safe returns (e.g. shares or property or debt securities or something else)
    - Savings rate, how much I can throw at the investments each and every month.

    At my age I have a limited timeframe, my compound rate is bound to my investment choice (diversified shares), my savings rate is really up to how little I can spend on my lifestyle without adverse impacts.

    It turns out I can still really have a good life in my 50's and save over 50% of my salary. Go figure!

    The equation just works in my brain. Time is now fixed, I have chosen my compound rate (diversified shares), so the only thing for me to focus on is improving the savings rate without impacting on lifestyle.

    I have tried with some success conveying this to younger family members. My son is saving and investing and also one nephew. Time, will do the load of work for them.

    Sorry for the ramble, I hope this explains my take on investment simplicity:
    W = T x C x S.

    Must say reading the LIC forum from start to finish really aided in an understanding of increasing the compound rate in a measured way. I do love long term graphs.
     
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  5. virgo

    virgo Well-Known Member

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    Double huh? Can you explain using some numbers pleeze?:D
     
  6. Ben_j

    Ben_j Well-Known Member

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    I’d also like an example on this please!

     
  7. Nodrog

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    :eek:, that must have been a challenge:D.
     
  8. Isla_Nublar

    Isla_Nublar Well-Known Member

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    You're just not dedicated enough @Nodrog ...oh wait, I think your knowledge has contributed at least 20% of the posts
     
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  9. Nodrog

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    Volume wise probably closer to 80% at times:oops:. I tend to be more about quantity rather than quality:D.

    Have you read all the previous LICs threads split by date as well? Combined they must be getting increasingly toward 1000 pages:eek:.
     
  10. Isla_Nublar

    Isla_Nublar Well-Known Member

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    Back in Feb/Mar I went back and read a whole heap of them, but certainly not all. At the end of the day, it was the banter that was timeless (that and @SatayKing talking down AUI - somethings never change)
     
  11. Nodrog

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    Yep a master in the art of deception. Definitely not one to be trusted:).
     
  12. Redwing

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    Wealth = Time x Compounding rate x Savings :D


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  14. Nodrog

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  15. DJC

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    Thanks Redwing. I was thinking of putting up one of the Thornhill charts. This one does nicely.
     
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  16. DJC

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    I thought it was a lot of fun
     
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    Bump
    So when you get a low ball..... corona... ?? Still ok?? Long term investors pipe in please
     
  18. SatayKing

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    Why wouldn't it still be ok?
     
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    Future market point to another 2% drop Monday
    then comes the margin call I live for this bargain hunting
    this is game number 3 :D in the last 12 years
     
  20. kierank

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    As of today, our shares portfolio has returned 15.14% over the last 12 months.

    Over the last 118+ years, the ASX has returned an average of 13.1% per annum.

    So, the last year (including the last week) has been above the long-term average.
     
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