Historic pub demolished without permit

Discussion in 'Legal Issues' started by JacM, 18th Oct, 2016.

Join Australia's most dynamic and respected property investment community
  1. Hodge

    Hodge Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    679
    Location:
    Melbourne
    Talk about lucky! I was contemplating using the same demolition mob to knock down my place couple months ago. Thank goodness he never returned my multiple emails and voice mail.
     
  2. Big Will

    Big Will Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    2,517
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Apparently the demo guys knocked down the wrong house one time. They knocked the house next door, sounds like a bunch of Drunken Barbarians if you ask me!
     
    kierank likes this.
  3. Hodge

    Hodge Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    679
    Location:
    Melbourne
    @Big Will i ended up using his mate. Drunken barbarians is a nice way of putting it. Absolutely no communication and a bunch of amateurs. Never told me when he was starting. I drove past the house one night to find it flat as a pancake.

    He's asbestos guys literally broke in to do their work. The site had a sign with my details so a quick phone call would have been a lot easier.

    Once asbestos guys finished they trashed the place and tagged all the walls.

    I just hope they throw the book at this cowboy.
     
    Big Will likes this.
  4. JacM

    JacM VIC Buyer's Agent - Melbourne, Geelong, Ballarat Business Member

    Joined:
    12th Jul, 2015
    Posts:
    2,219
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
  5. Scott No Mates

    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    27,248
    Location:
    Sydney or NSW or Australia
    Full restitution - capped at 2 storeys....that would hurt.
     
  6. Big Will

    Big Will Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    2,517
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    kierank likes this.
  7. kierank

    kierank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    20th Jan, 2016
    Posts:
    8,415
    Location:
    Gold Coast
  8. pianissimo

    pianissimo Member

    Joined:
    25th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    24
    Location:
    Australia
  9. Big Will

    Big Will Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    2,517
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
    Small price to pay when they said the pub if they get away with it turned the site value from ~5M to 8-10M.

    Even with 1M in fines they are still doing quite well, although I hope the council makes them either rebuild it brick by brick or that they have to keep the place as a public place for the next 10 years which will eat away at their profits/holding costs.
     
    kierank likes this.
  10. DaveM

    DaveM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    3,761
    Location:
    Adelaide & Sydney
    They clearly dont care about due process, laws or people. They demolished while there was a council stop work order in place, then they leave asbestos to blow away from site, then they dump the asbestos on another site.

    If the council shuts the site down, they will just start work again. If the site gets locked up, they are the type who will just cut the chains off and keep on working. And while the council takes legal action and imposes a stop work order, they will just tell them to flap off and keep on building.

    Revoke their builders license? They will just move the construction contract to another entity they control which has a license.

    By the time it works its way through the courts they will have completed the development, sold them all, pocketed the money and moved on.
     
  11. kierank

    kierank Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    20th Jan, 2016
    Posts:
    8,415
    Location:
    Gold Coast
    Whatever way it pans out, it is gunna get expensive.

    Looks like the authorities are going to throw the book at them. If they don't, more and more people will be tempted to do the same thing.
     
  12. leicachamp

    leicachamp Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    6th Nov, 2015
    Posts:
    84
    Location:
    Melb
    I have used Shaq demoltions in the past. Little did i know the guy had so much wealth!!!!He personally demolished 3 houses for me. The last one was a bit of a disaster. After I finished and sold off my townhouses, i received a letter from the council that no Demolition permit was issued. Luckily i paid by Bank Transfer and had a tax invoice to show that I appointed Shaq demolitions to do the demolition work. If I paid by Cash( Which Shaq was insisting the method of payment), I would be big trouble.
     
  13. KateAshmor

    KateAshmor Victorian Conveyancing Lawyer Business Member

    Joined:
    25th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    711
    Location:
    Melbourne
    They will be required to rebuild the pub: the Planning Minister changed the planning scheme today.
     
    Tim86, Gockie, WattleIdo and 2 others like this.
  14. Scott No Mates

    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    27,248
    Location:
    Sydney or NSW or Australia
    Absolutely brilliant outcome. How long until they declare bankruptcy?
     
  15. DaveM

    DaveM Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    14th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    3,761
    Location:
    Adelaide & Sydney
    Yep just wind up and leave a vacant block. Cheaper than rebuilding
     
  16. JacM

    JacM VIC Buyer's Agent - Melbourne, Geelong, Ballarat Business Member

    Joined:
    12th Jul, 2015
    Posts:
    2,219
    Location:
    Melbourne, Australia
  17. albanga

    albanga Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    2,701
    Location:
    Melbourne
    They will probably rebuild it and it comes the new hip "studio 54" with lines out the door each week bringing in more cash than 700 student accommodation rooms.

    But in all seriousness, this is a great result! I have no doubt a lot of muscle and intimidation would have been thrown around in the last month and it's refreshing to see no one backing down.
     
    kierank and Gockie like this.
  18. Scott No Mates

    Scott No Mates Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    27,248
    Location:
    Sydney or NSW or Australia
  19. bmc

    bmc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Oct, 2015
    Posts:
    1,123
    Location:
    Sydney
  20. bmc

    bmc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Oct, 2015
    Posts:
    1,123
    Location:
    Sydney
    Corkman Pub developers hit with $1.3m fine for 'reprehensible' demolition
    " Developer Raman Shaqiri and his company 160 Leicester Pty Ltd pleaded guilty in May last year for knocking down the Corkman Irish Pub in Carlton in October 2016 without building or planning approval.
    The company's other director, Stefce Kutlesovski, pleaded guilty to charges in January this year. "


    not enough in my opinion
     
    Scott No Mates likes this.