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  1. k31453

    k31453 Active Member

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    Joined this site to understand how realestate works. I work fulltime in my late 20s and get into investment. But I don't know where to start or what guide I have to read on this forum. So can someone please link me Basic guide kinda like A - Z or bits or pieces. Currently I am looking to learn:
    • Realestate Investing 101
    • How to find rental property in Melbourne /Sydney
    • Realestate investment finance
    • How much minimum $$ required to get into market?
     
  2. The Y-man

    The Y-man Moderator Staff Member

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    It's pretty simple.

    • Buy House
    • Rent out to tenants.
    • Collect Rent
    • If price of house goes up, maybe sell it.

    Done :)

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    This is where the game starts and ends.

    All your other questions will be answered once you understand the finance game.

    All roads lead back to that.

    ALL roads.

    You have two options:

    1) Pretend like you're the smartest guy in the world and DIY.

    2) Engage a good broker who will teach you a lot about the finance game.
     
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    The Y-man Moderator Staff Member

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    Ok these get a bit more involved into the "why" question ;)

    If you are going to do Melb/Sydney, the thinking goes more like:

    • Buy (bloody expensive) House
      • Can't afford on my own so need to borrow money (i.e. get a loan)
    • Rent out to tenants to help you meet interest costs and other holding costs.
    • If the house goes up more in value than you are paying out, then good. Sell or keep holding to see if it goes up more.
      • Otherwise you bought a lemon. Either wait to see if the tide changes, or ditch it and try again.
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    Woohoo. This forum is very active first of all. Okay, I have around $25k in savings and will be saving more so that I can have emergency saving available. I earn roughly $150kish salary so my tax bracket is very high.

    Intention is:
    • Use bank money as "free money to invest"
    • Buy the place around school/university/high renting yield area in (Melb/Syd) - looking for around $600Kish
    • Also considering places which are newly developed like Donnybrook etc.
    • Keep it for couple of years - if I can double my deposit (after cutting all expense) sell it otherwise keep it.
    Learning I have to do:
    • What the hell is Ppor?
    • Basic Investment finance (actually does anyone know where I should start looking to learn this ,, any guide thread etc??)
    • How can I reduce tax on my salary.
    Since I am still mentality not ready as I am worried about:
    • What happen if I don't have tenant for the house?
    • How much negative gearing differences I have to pay?
    • How to be prepare for all the costs comes with the investment.
     
  6. The Y-man

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    Resi IP is one of the MOST capital intensive exercises around - so if you are going to play in MEL/SYD resi you'll need say $200k as a decent play amount.

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    These are my opinions/views only - reality may be different:
    • Use bank money as "free money to invest"
      • It's never free. You need to pay for it.
    • Buy the place around school/university/high renting yield area in (Melb/Syd) - looking for around $600Kish
      • Ok - some bargains going at the moment because they are deserted (no international students).
    • Also considering places which are newly developed like Donnybrook etc.
      • Ok, this one I leave for others to comment - I have never touched new devs. Only been on the selling side.
    • Keep it for couple of years - if I can double my deposit (after cutting all expense) sell it otherwise keep it.
      • Couple of years probably won't cut it. Resi realestate comes with high transaction costs relatively speaking. You need to play for a 7~10 year timeframe.
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  8. The Y-man

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    PPOR = priciple place of residence
    Your main residence

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  9. The Y-man

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    No "one size fits all" solution - it's about the same as "what sort of car should I drive".

    You need to talk to a reputable broker.

    Basically - first question to ask - "How much can I borrow?"
    ...and please don't go "tyrekicking" different brokers once you find a helpful one. Reward them with business.

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    Good to see you are not blindly going into this:

    • What happen if I don't have tenant for the house?
      • You chose the wrong type of property and/or in the wrong location
      • At the end of the day, if you lower your rent enough, you will almost always get a tenant. Whether they are the sort of tenants you want is a totally different question!!
      • I always work on the basis of having rent coming in for 48 weeks a year
    • How much negative gearing differences I have to pay?
      • Depends on your pay, other deductions etc etc etc - just assume you don't get any tax benefits and it will be fine.
    • How to be prepare for all the costs comes with the investment.
      • Have a strong, reliable income from something else (bank won't lend you money anyway if you don't).

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  12. k31453

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    As in you are talking about having $200K savings? That's a lot.
     
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    I am not sure what do you mean by reward them with business. Sorry I am bit naïve in this industry.
     
  15. The Y-man

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    Some people get a broker to do all the hard work of finding loans for them, and then go and apply through someone else.... (brokers get paid by the banks when they write the loans)

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    Thank you will keep this in mind. Okay, now I should at least setup appointment with mortgage broker.
     
  17. The Y-man

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    Yep as I said, resi ip (in MEL/SYD especially) is *very* capital intensive.

    In order of upfront capital you need, I tell people from lowest to highest in general (there are always exceptions of course):
    • term deposits ($1)
    • Shares, listed REITs (commercial property) ($550)
    • ETOs (possible $0.0 but in reality you'll need about $20k to open the account)
    • managed investments (managed funds) (between $1k to $20k)
    • Unlisted commercial property funds ($20k to $40k)
    • Direct resi IP / Small commercial property ($100k upwards - more for MEL/SYD)
    • Big commercial property ($1m upward)

    The Y-man