From Owner Builder to Licensed Builder

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  1. Joynz

    Joynz Well-Known Member

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    Well...a compliant slab should be a good quality slab etc etc.

    Similarly, a good quality build should have the right size and correctly placed framing. The paint job should conform to the standards and tolerances guide etc...

    What sort of quality checks were you thinking of?
     
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  2. Speede

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    And?

    In NSW....a PCA or Council check

    Piers
    Slab
    Stormwater ( now checked by PCA or Council & Fair Trading )
    Frame
    Waterproofing
    & any structural steel needs to be checked by engineer or council.

    Just dreaming if you think dodgy engineers will sign it or council staff if they see it's not right...very few will if any at all these days.
     
  3. Scott No Mates

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    A slab inspection is undertaken prior to pouring the slab - it checks whether the vapour barrier is installed, chairs under reo, correctly installed reo. It is not a quality check. Concretor can still order incorrect spec concrete, not vibrate, pour on a hot day, get a flash set, not follow appropriate curing methodology, gets rained upon. The inspector does not sit around watching the pour.

    Framing inspection covers walls have been erected, appropriately fastened to the slab, securely nailed, flashings are in place etc.
     
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  4. Speede

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    Engineers need to see if correct concrete was used before issuing certificate. :)
     
  5. Speede

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    Most O/B will probably end up building a better quality home when you compare with project builders.
     
  6. dabbler

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    Why ? does it appear that I advocate this type of system ?
     
  7. Tools

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    I was merely commenting on George's comment:
    Houses whether it was built by owner builder or by a builder has to go through the same quality checks.

    A compliant slab is not necessarily of good quality. I may have all the right thicknesses, reo and conc but could be out of square, out of level, have highs and lows, not be vibrated, wrong level etc etc. The building inspector will not pick this up.

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  8. Tools

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    Not dreaming at all. Building inspectors do not do quality checks.

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  9. Tools

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    Not once have I ever provided concrete dockets to an engineer or building surveyor.

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  10. Scott No Mates

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    Based on what evidence?

    The OP was looking at dropping the restrictions on OB so they could develop as many properties as they like, as the profit motive moves into consideration, quality may take second place (or lower ranking).
     
  11. Speede

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    Project builders work on quantity and not quality.
     
  12. Tools

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    And yet the building inspector passes the job....

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  13. Speede

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    It passes the job .... because they get a huge amount of work from that project builder.....that is the diff.


    They don't get a huge amount of work from an o/b...so why would they risk doing something dodge for one o/b that will most likely never build again - no repeat work.
     
  14. Tools

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    Now who's dreaming!

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    Speede Well-Known Member

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    You.
     
  16. Tools

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    It took you less than an hour to do a complete backflip on your argument.

    At 8.10 you said this:Just dreaming if you think dodgy engineers will sign it or council staff if they see it's not right...very few will if any at all these days.

    Then at 9.02 you said this: It passes the job .... because they get a huge amount of work from that project builder.....that is the diff.

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  17. Speede

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    For an O/B


    For project builders pumping 200+ homes a year anything goes.


    So most of the time an O/B is better quality.
     
  18. Big Lez

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    I'm not a builder, but I do work in the construction industry, the majority of my clients are builders and I typically spend half of my week on various construction sites (from small granny flats to high rise apartments). Here is my 2 cents worth.

    Being a builder isn't as easy as it looks. There is a lot of behind the scenes things that go on which most outsiders have no idea about.

    Unless you're one of those guys who has a dodgy cousin, you're going to have to get an entry level job for a construction company and work your way up. There isn't any shortcuts to fast track the process. If you are serious about it, it would probably take 5-10 years minimum to to go from zero to hero.

    Just from my anecdotal evidence, all the licensed builders I deal with either have a trade, architecture, construction management, surveying or civil engineering background.
     
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