For those who think they missed the boat

Discussion in 'Investor Psychology & Mindset' started by MTR, 5th Jun, 2021.

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  1. MTR

    MTR Well-Known Member

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    This was the only negative when investing in US, as a foreigner I could not source finance.

    The power of leverage would have been awesome.
     
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    You still made a motza looking at their markets. :)
     
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    @kierank I assumed they meant bad debt mate. If the author means ALL debt, then that's a different story.
     
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    I suggest to people to split their debt into three categories:
    1. Bad Debt (don’t use/pay back asap) - eg CC, car loans, personal loans
    2. Necessary Debt (use/pay back asap) - eg PPOR loan (via offset)
    3. Good Debt (use/never pay back) - eg business, IPs, shares, ...
     
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    I think a lot of people who have never read Barefoot's book have an opinion on it.

    If the goal of the book is to give people the skills or a plan to own a PPOR and have a few hundred thousand in super or investments when they retire. They will at least be able to live a reasonable life style in retirement. Most people currently do not achieve this and many aged above 40 (or less) are not on a path to achieve this.

    All I know is if I added money to super or ETFs I would be in a much better financial position today than buying property in Perth 12 years ago.

    Once people are on the path to own a PPOR and several hundred thousand in super or shares at retirement. At some stage if their risk appetite is such maybe buying property is a good investment for some.
     
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    Diversification is good
    I also think the same with property, buy in more than one State, reduce risk and capture different property cycles
     
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    My understanding is that accountants can't give financial advice without an appropriate licence (and I don't know if an accountant can actually get a licence) - and that this is policed far more rigidly than it once was.

    Perhaps advice to save more money might be within their scope - but an advice to say, buy an investment property or shares is well out of scope.
     
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    Huge, huge point. And imho it's a really important factor for investors to consider. No dig at the investors only investing in one state. I just think being able mitigate some risk and capture different state cycles can be a really powerful strategy. Also might smooth out some of the bumps along the way.
     
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    It depends ? My accountant is also an investor been using him for years.
    If they are managing your SMSF then they can provide advice
     
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    Our almost 15yo has been working for 11mths as a dishwasher at a local cafe for 6hrs a week (earns approx $90pw). He has his 3 bucket accounts - free for all spending (blow it on choc milk at school canteen and I don't care), short term savings (new computer game etc) and long term savings (for his first car). The ratios are 20:20:60. He is pretty dedicated about it and will put extra money into his long term savings sometimes and now has $3.5k in there and he's got at least 12mths until he can get his Ls.
    We have a deal with the kids that we will match them dollar for dollar on their first car so it looks like he'll be driving a pretty nice car on Ls at this rate:p
     
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    They can provide advice on how to structure. They can't provide advice on how to invest - or at least, they shouldn't without an AFSL. My apologies, I didn't specify this condition in my previous post. Your accountant may have a licence - mine doesn't, and is very careful about the advice they give.

    Here's a good summary about what an accountant with or without an AFSL can do with regards to an SMSF.
    SMSFs: What advice can your accountant provide?
     
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    My thought are that when time comes to buy his first car, instead of matching his savings and him having a pretty nice car, to suggest he buy a cheap, but safe first car, and you put the matching dollar figure into something to start his first house deposit.
     
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    Good idea. We'll see how big his nest egg gets. The incentive is to help it be a safe car and for our eldest that amounted to being a $6k car ($3k each) eight years ago.
    He doesn't have to spend all his savings on a car and may decide to invest some in something else if he has a passion for something, start saving for a house or wants to go on a gap year etc.
    The important thing is that he learns the value of saving and the beauty of compounding interest if you start early.
     
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    Attend meet ups, good way of networking
     
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    The ferry comes by every hour, just like buses.
    However unless I'm thinking I'm getting a good deal I would not buy anything, RE or else.
    Buying cause I may miss out? No thanks.
    When REAs are rude and never return calls is not a good time to buy for me.
    So unless I'd be buying a first PPOR I would not be fretting to get "into" any market unless the numbers look good for me.
    Patience grasshoppa
     
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