Fixed mortgage rates moving?

Discussion in 'Loans & Mortgage Brokers' started by Dean Collins, 19th Nov, 2016.

Join Australia's most dynamic and respected property investment community
  1. Dean Collins

    Dean Collins Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    21st Feb, 2016
    Posts:
    982
    Location:
    New York
    Just checking in if you know about any of the Australian banks moving their fixed rates up since the Trump election?

    I saw on CNBC this week that 30 year fixed in the USA is now 4.05% up over a 1/3rd of a percent since the Trump election and 19T wiped off bonds (eg lending costs going up dramatically)

    To give you an idea how big a difference that makes.....for us we locked in at 3.5% earlier this year eg if we didn't refinance in early 2016 the 0.55% difference on a $975,000 mortgage its around $5400pa (or about $A135pw just in interest) if we were buying today.

    The reason I’m asking is we have bought an apartment in Allawah that is settling on the 3rd of February (Westpac 5 year fixed at 3.85%) worried that maybe I should pay the lock in fee seeing settlement is so far away.

    Any thoughts? (or better still inside knowledge?)
     
  2. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

    Joined:
    14th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    10,629
    Location:
    Gold Coast (Australia Wide)
    aside from rate crystal ball, which I certainly dont have

    Fixed rare lock costs for a 5 year rate at WBC are great value if you have a concern of rising rates.

    id expect youd pay say 1500 bucks

    1500/5 = 300 per year

    a rate blip to 4.00 in your case would increase your rate cost by 1665 a year

    Just some sanity numbers to play with.


    ta
    rolf
     
    KayTea, Perthguy and Dean Collins like this.
  3. tobe

    tobe Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    1,814
    Location:
    Melbourne
    And it's tax deductible.
     
  4. Redom

    Redom Mortgage Broker Business Plus Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    4,647
    Location:
    Sydney (Australia Wide)
    The US yield curve has shot up - that does have an impact on global rate movements and a knock of effect to Australia's fixed rate market which is more heavily tied to international funding sources than variable rate mortgages (depositors make up a large chunk of this funding).

    This usually does begin translating into the pricing of fixed rates, so its good research to have on hand. If your worried, pay the rate lock fee.

    Its a decent risk mitigation investment at a reasonably small cost. As an aside, consider whether 5 year fixed is the best product for you - its a long fixed rate and a lot can change personally that may impact your lender (e.g. equity pulls, valuation differences, etc). Decent lender to be with to do a long term fixed option though.
     
  5. Dean Collins

    Dean Collins Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    21st Feb, 2016
    Posts:
    982
    Location:
    New York
    Thanks all, we locked in 70% @ %3.85 today.

    We'll use the variable portion as offset to pay down our LVR over the next 12 months and use as deposit on the next place end of 2017
     
    Perthguy likes this.
  6. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

    Joined:
    14th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    10,629
    Location:
    Gold Coast (Australia Wide)
    And the lookin fee was only bout 10 points ?


    Ta
    rolf
     
  7. Dean Collins

    Dean Collins Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    21st Feb, 2016
    Posts:
    982
    Location:
    New York
    yep 0.1% of the fixed loan portion.

    Basically if the 5 year moved more than 0.02% it would have cost me money.....and its probably not going to move at all but as we aren't settling until Feb 2017.....thought it made sense just in case.
     
  8. Dean Collins

    Dean Collins Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    21st Feb, 2016
    Posts:
    982
    Location:
    New York
    lol....I should send Trump the bill. It's all his stupid fault :)
     
  9. Marty McDonald

    Marty McDonald Mortgage broker Business Member

    Joined:
    22nd Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    880
    Location:
    Sydney North Shore and Norther beaches
    Just locked $1,500,000 for clients at 3.80% for 5 years with Westpac.


    Noted ING up 0.30% on 3 and 5 years rates from tomorrow.
     
    Perthguy likes this.
  10. Perthguy

    Perthguy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    22nd Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    11,767
    Location:
    Perth
    Dang. I was eyeing off their fixed 3.97% p.a (INV) and 3.74% (OO) fixed for 5 years for 2 of my loans.

    EDIT: that OO rate was 3.84%
     
  11. humptydumpty

    humptydumpty Active Member

    Joined:
    4th Nov, 2016
    Posts:
    25
    Location:
    Melbourne
  12. Ethan Timor

    Ethan Timor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    16th Nov, 2016
    Posts:
    154
    Location:
    Australia
    It's all over the place. Some lenders increase their fixed, other decreased o_O
     
  13. Perthguy

    Perthguy Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    22nd Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    11,767
    Location:
    Perth
    oooh! Who has decreased?
     
  14. Redom

    Redom Mortgage Broker Business Plus Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    4,647
    Location:
    Sydney (Australia Wide)
    In general some of the fixed rate have bumped rates up a bit (not down). It would be worth considering paying rate lock fees if concerned about a higher fixed rate.
     
  15. Ethan Timor

    Ethan Timor Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    16th Nov, 2016
    Posts:
    154
    Location:
    Australia
    Suncorp reduced some fixed (1 and 5 years) while not changing and increasing others.

    Other lenders have increased rates but most didn't move yet it seems.
     
    Perthguy likes this.
  16. Speede

    Speede Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    26th Sep, 2015
    Posts:
    786
    Location:
    A wannabe Mexican
    Any idea if its possible to get yesterdays fixed 5 year rate at ING?
     
  17. Jamie Moore

    Jamie Moore MORTGAGE BROKER - AUSTRALIA WIDE Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    3,979
    Location:
    Canberra, Brisbane and Sunshine Coast
    Nah it's gone up now.

    Managed to frantically get 4 rate lock forms in by 5pm yesterday.
     
    Dean Collins and Perthguy like this.
  18. dabbler

    dabbler Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    8,572
    Location:
    Sid en e - olympic city
    I have not part fixed before, but been thinking about it on the way down to do so when it turns.

    What are the advantages/dis advantages of fixing part of loan ?

    You can keep all the variable features ?
    Does it provide any benefits as far as breaking or selling, or is it as I imagine that is whatever ratio of fixed to variable is ?

    I want to keep offsets on some accounts, if rates do rise, breaking should be no real costs.
     
  19. tobe

    tobe Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    1,814
    Location:
    Melbourne
    get some spefic advice. most lenders dont have variable features to their fixed loans. having part fixed and part variable doesnt negate all of the flexibility issues with fixed rates, it just means you can repay/offset against the variable rate portion. If you have more than one property, Id suggest fixing 80% of half your properties rather than half/part of each. Means you can shop the properties on variable to another lender without breakcosts
     
    Dean Collins and Perthguy like this.
  20. dabbler

    dabbler Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    8,572
    Location:
    Sid en e - olympic city
    The ones I would fix are with lenders I would not move from, so the only potential is if wanting to sell, but I also want to use the offset feature on them, so basically calculate what may go into offset for the fixed term & keep a similar amount as variable would be good idea ?

    I know it is loan dependent, buy break costs if rates rise or stay similar should be negligible with major lenders ?