Financial planner for restructuring personal insurance

Discussion in 'Financial Planning' started by mpty, 5th Jul, 2019.

Join Australia's most dynamic and respected property investment community
  1. mpty

    mpty Active Member

    Joined:
    9th Oct, 2016
    Posts:
    41
    Location:
    Sydney
    I have recently reviewed my income protection insurance and reached a conclusion that I should be paying majority of the premium out of my super and a small percentage from after tax income. The reason for this is because I max out my concessional super contributions and want to use the after tax to pay off debt. I will not be able to access super for another 20 years.

    Now my insurer Zurich would only make the changes if instructed by a financial adviser. I have never used the services of an independent financial adviser. The comparison company that originally helped me to organise this insurance 6 years ago thinks this is an opportunity for them to sign me up for another product.

    So what should I do in this situation?
     
  2. ChrisP73

    ChrisP73 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    5th Oct, 2018
    Posts:
    1,214
    Location:
    Brisbane
    If it was me, I would tell them I'm advising myself and if they don't like that go somewhere else.
     
  3. Jane Ridder

    Jane Ridder Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    22nd Feb, 2018
    Posts:
    176
    Location:
    Sydney
    You seem to be on the right track with your conclusion, however I think it would be good for you to get a second opinion from a financial adviser.

    This can be a complex area and you're probably dealing with large amounts of money..
     
    Terry_w likes this.
  4. geoffw

    geoffw Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    15th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    11,677
    Location:
    Newcastle
    It sounds as if it's not a choice - they may well require the signature of a financial planner before they will make changes.

    If that's the case, the problem is finding a FP who will do the job you require and nothing more. If they're doing their job, they will be asking you about all sorts of financial matters. But as they will be independent (as they require) they shouldn't be pushing you to sign up to another product. They may make suggestions, but it's your choice as to whether to follow any recommendations.
     
  5. Rolf Latham

    Rolf Latham Inciteful (sic) Staff Member Business Plus Member

    Joined:
    14th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    10,649
    Location:
    Gold Coast (Australia Wide)
    Objectively, do you know what the contexts and definitions of the insurance actually cover your needs ?

    this be half the challenge

    They are even less equal than home loans

    ta
    rolf
     
  6. mpty

    mpty Active Member

    Joined:
    9th Oct, 2016
    Posts:
    41
    Location:
    Sydney
    Purpose is to cover me if I become ill or disabled and unable to work in my current profession. I did read the PDS but cannot say I understand 100% what is covered. The insurance will cover me until the age of 65, there is a 3 months waiting period and the payout would be based on 75% of average monthly income during the last 12 months.
     
  7. mpty

    mpty Active Member

    Joined:
    9th Oct, 2016
    Posts:
    41
    Location:
    Sydney
    I guess there is no incentive for an independent FP in restructuring the insurance?

    If I take out a new policy with the help from an independent FP, do they receive trailing commissions? Or do FPs offer a fee for insurance advice option?
     
  8. geoffw

    geoffw Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    15th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    11,677
    Location:
    Newcastle
    I assume that there is no in incentive for an independent FP to structure the insurance.

    I'm not sure, I suspect that they would receive a fee for service. I'm not sure on the laws concerning FP advice now, somebody else can clarify. Either they're not allowed to receive commission, or they have to disclose how much commission they're getting.

    I took FP advice last year following a financial catastrophe. It cost me $8K to received a full financial plan; it would have cost me at least the same annually in service fees and management costs for the products they recommended. They saved my several times that in advice about proceeds of an IP sale, but I chose to take their general ideas and to fly solo (using largely ETFs of a similar nature and spread to what they had recommended, at a considerably smaller ongoing cost).
     
  9. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    41,984
    Location:
    Australia wide
    They would probably receive an upfront fee and a trail. If you stay with the same insurer they might only receive a trail though.
     
  10. Angel

    Angel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    5,816
    Location:
    Paradise, Brisbane
    Have you spoken to someone from your Super Fund, or is it self-funded?
     
  11. Marg4000

    Marg4000 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    6,417
    Location:
    Qld
    Comparison sites work on commission from their recommendations, so they are NOT independent. Take their advice with caution. They will only recommend from the companies prepared to pay their hefty commissions.

    We got caught with iSelect. They recommended the “most suitable” cover for us, and yes, it was considerably cheaper. We only found out years later, when hubby was considering surgery, that the policy they had recommended was a limited cover, not the top level we had previously (and which we asked for comparable). It was galling to know they had been paid commission the whole time we had an inadequate cover.
    Marg
     
  12. mpty

    mpty Active Member

    Joined:
    9th Oct, 2016
    Posts:
    41
    Location:
    Sydney
    I am with AustralianSuper. As far as I am aware, they would not take on the policy without involving a financial planner.
     
  13. Angel

    Angel Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    19th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    5,816
    Location:
    Paradise, Brisbane
    I'm pretty up to speed with insurance within Super post Royal Commission. So to clarify, do you want to get insurance as part of your Super or totally independent of your Super? With a different company?

    Do you want to move away from Zurich or go to Zurich?

    I didnt find the exact details about a Financial Planner easily on AS's website just then. If you direct us to the exact part I can read it for you again, later today. When I changed my IP insurance last week at QSuper, it suggested I talk to a FP. I had to tick a box saying I do not require one atm. If you want to talk to a FP within your super fund, they can give a short consultation on the phone so you can check a few things, for no cost . Last I knew it was about 30-40 minutes.

    I remember last year in the midst of the RC, QSuper wanted me to make an appointment for a full financial overhaul with 30 pages of personal forms to fill out, at a cost of about $500 when all I wanted to do was ask a couple of what I thought were simple questions. Policy - I think the call centre staff were instructed to go overkill.

    However it is sensible for you to see a FP if that is what you WANT to do for your own reasons. It is always better to be safe than sorry.

    I'll be back in a few hours.
     
  14. mpty

    mpty Active Member

    Joined:
    9th Oct, 2016
    Posts:
    41
    Location:
    Sydney
    Ok. I think it's time to speak to a financial adviser. I have no problem going through answering all financial questions / fact sheets. Are there any independent FPs on this forum who have been tried and tested and able to assist with personal insurance?
     
  15. Jane Ridder

    Jane Ridder Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    22nd Feb, 2018
    Posts:
    176
    Location:
    Sydney
    Just to clarify, if a financial adviser has advertised themselves as 'independent' and receives a trail commission they have broken the law.
     
    Terry_w likes this.
  16. Dr. Matt

    Dr. Matt New Member

    Joined:
    2nd Jan, 2018
    Posts:
    4
    Location:
    Adelaide
    Hi mpty,

    We have had a really good experience working with@Alex Straker who operates HTRE and posts here quite often. Restructuring personal insurance is just one of the things he covered. Super smart and honest guy.

    Cheers
    Matt.
     
  17. wylie

    wylie Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    18th Jun, 2015
    Posts:
    14,015
    Location:
    Brisbane
    We’ve been dealing with Jason Nairn for many years. He’s easy to get hold of, super responsive to calls or emails, knows his stuff and has saved our bacon more than once.
     

    Attached Files:

  18. mpty

    mpty Active Member

    Joined:
    9th Oct, 2016
    Posts:
    41
    Location:
    Sydney
    Thanks. I will consider him.
     
  19. mpty

    mpty Active Member

    Joined:
    9th Oct, 2016
    Posts:
    41
    Location:
    Sydney
    Thanks. I will look him up.
     
  20. momentum26

    momentum26 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    16th Mar, 2018
    Posts:
    506
    Location:
    Australia
    Is Jason independent advisor?