Fear of Relationships over worry about losing everything

Discussion in 'Investor Psychology & Mindset' started by Terry_w, 13th Apr, 2016.

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Do you worry about losing your assets upon a relationship breakdown?

  1. No, I don't consider this at all

    123 vote(s)
    46.4%
  2. I worry that I may lose assets but I take the risk

    110 vote(s)
    41.5%
  3. I will not enter a relationship at all as I don't want the risk

    21 vote(s)
    7.9%
  4. I try to have relationships with persons more wealthy that I am.

    11 vote(s)
    4.2%
  1. Gockie

    Gockie Life is good ☺️ Premium Member

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    No kids here....
    It hasnt been fair in that my partners income is substantially higher (his income is over 150% of mine). But I contribute 50% to close to all home bills and expenses. And i've managed to do a lot more on my smaller income than him, make additional income through Airbnb. My sizeable property portfolio has been built with little help from him. I guess by sharing a car, sharing the bills, its better (lower) than being single at least.
     
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  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    The recent case of
    Chancellor & McCoy [2016] FCCA 53 involved an application for a property settlement for a defacto couple. The parties kept their finances completely separate. They purchased property each, after the relationship began. They both lived in and renovated one particular property which was owned by just one of them.

    They were together for 27 years.

    Guess what - court deemed it not just and equitable to make orders.
     
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    To keep PC errrrr PC. :p
     
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  4. wylie

    wylie Moderator Staff Member

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    I don't understand this post Terry?
     
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  5. Gockie

    Gockie Life is good ☺️ Premium Member

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    My understanding is that it was decided that what's "his is his" and what's "hers is hers" was the outcome. No meddling by the courts.
     
  6. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    There was no re-arranging of the properties that the individuals owned. They got to keep what they had in their names.
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Yes - except two x hers as a same sex couple.
     
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  8. wylie

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    I started to type about a friend who lost everything in a divorce, but deleted it because those men who think women get it all won't believe it (and someone may recognise the parties involved).

    I don't know any men who are left with nothing. I know they are out there, but I just wish those who think the women are laughing all the way to the bank knew my friend who was left with $50K from 20 long years of marriage to a cruel man, clever enough to hide cash and assets out of her reach, two kids, with maintenance not enough to cover breakfast cereal.

    Somehow, he has plenty of cash to splash, rents a penthouse.
     
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    wylie Moderator Staff Member

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    Gotcha. But was this mostly due to the fact they were happy with this arrangement?
     
  10. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    There are a lot of arm chair experts out there on family law - mostly going on stories which get passed around and exaggerated as it is passed on. Little substance to most.
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    No, they were not happy as they went to court to fight it out.
     
  12. dabbler

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    I don't think it will work like that, it also is probably not worth having a partner if anyone is going to sweat over the decision someone in the chair can make on the day, or if the rules change, at some future point.
     
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    Grred and vengeance. It's ugly.
     
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    What if she is the bread winner and he is a stay at home dad?
     
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    Interesting case law. But this is quite an unusual situation decided solely on its specific facts - they were not married (same sex couple) and there were no children, plus the couple did not make any joint financial decisions together. Analysis of this case:

    How the 'justice and equity principle' is applied to the division of assets in the Family Courts
     
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    Thanks @Gockie . That's exactly my thoughts, easier when there is no kids involved.

    I'm not sure if you guys have definitely both agreed on not having kids from the beginning.
    If not, I still intrigue on how you would go about this when kids involve?
     
  17. wylie

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    In my opinion, the outcome should be the same regardless of who works and who stays home, and my husband certainly thought he got the easy end of it in his paid work, whilst it got the short straw being home with three kids. I would think most men would feel the same, but if not, who am I to judge.

    I do know that those who think being at home is the easy path haven't walked in the shoes of those who do it (or at least, not in my shoes). It would have been so easy to go back to work, but it wouldn't have helped us financially really with three before school and after school care and vacation care for three children to be factored in.

    And for anybody to say I deserve less if we divorced because I didn't "earn" anything is just shortsighted.
     
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    This is a joke right ........ right ?
     
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    we've had similar type of threads in the past which have quickly turned into female bashing / feminism arguments.

    it's an easy way to avoid it again and still get your point across :)
     
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    True. So why dont you straighten things for us then.

    The stories ive heard are either directly from the lawyers mouth or from people who are going through at the moment.
    Unless a lawyer like yourself states in bold what the law/result is, then your advice also will be 'just another story'

    And please dont say "it depends" or "you need to book a time with me to discuss"
     
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