Fall of Afghanistan

US made a deal with the Taliban to let the Isis terrorists out of the jails?

 

There's no way the Taliban allowed this to happen and I imagine they are super ****** off about this. All they had to do was not have any Americans die for like 6 more days, and all US troops would be gone, and then the Taliban could be as tyrannical as they please. I bet the Taliban had to be super strict with their soldiers about not attacking Americans, and then ISIS-K poke the bear on it's way out the door. I can't imagine the US is just going to ignore it and keep to their exit time table and this is exactly why ISIS did it. To keep US there and **** the Taliban off

Taliban and ISIS have big theological and ideological differences. They've been fighting each other for as long as ISIS has existed. Taliban are only interested in Afghanistan, and a bit of Pakistan too tbh, they don’t really care to expand their borders. IS wants to take over the entire “Muslim World,” and create a Caliphate (a government that is led by a religious leader and is a theocracy) so they are trying to take over many different countries. Btw Caliphate is a Sunni thing, Shias do not believe in it, they have something a bit different

 

Taliban executed the leader of IS in jail the first day they took over. Here's a pic of the dead guy
Taliban executes IS leader Abu Omar Khorasani one day after Afghanistan conquest - The Pakistan Daily

 

I've found contradictory reports on all of this. I expect we'll get clearer information in the coming days.

Recently the Taliban did kill an imprisoned ISIS leader by the name of Abu Omar Khorasani, formerly the organisations' leader in South East Asia (edit Momentum just beat me to it). While the Taliban and ISIS are both Sunni extremist groups, the latter postures as a natural rival but in Afghanistan they are far fewer in number and obviously nowhere near as influential. ISIS have reportedly labelled the Taliban as non-believers for their deal and co-operation with the Americans, and also their cultivation of opium poppy which goes against Sharia law.
Are their other ideological differences between the two organisations? I wouldn't be surprised if the Taliban also have a few Pashtun tribal codes that ISIS see as heretical.

Professor and security expert Peter Begin made the point that ISIS are a lot more fixated on sectarianism, which has been central to its core ever since its' birth as Al Qaeda in Iraq under Abu Mosab al-Zarqawi. I recall in those early days that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, although not fans of the other sects themselves, disagreed with Al-Zarqawis' bloodcurdling excesses in trying to ignite a sectarian war between Shia and Sunni which he probably hoped would errupt across the Middle East.

 

Taliban wouldn't of hid Al Quader if they weren't interested in world domination and wouldn't have Isis ranks amongst them either, it's a group with very much lots of in-fighting between their own ranks, it's a criminal organisation and there is no loyalty amongst thieves.

 

Yep, the Taliban haven't really been sectarian. The notable anti-Shia attacks in Afghanistan have beem carried out by Pakistani group Lashkar e Jhangvi and ISIS-K.

The way the Taliban just walked into the hazarajat a few weeks ago, which was an area fiercely defended by the hazaras might indicates they have made some agreements with tribal leaders about governance.

I guess we'll see over the next few months.

 

I wonder why people are not willing to accept that US and Taliban made a deal. The strategy in AFG has changed but US withdrew as result of a deal.

 

Also have to acknowledge the allies have flown around 100,000 people out combined

 

US and Taliban are standing face to face on the ground right now with just an airport wall in between. I wonder why something crazy is not happening. Why is media telling us US army is "guarding" the airport? How come a drone strike killed the master mind of airport blast 2 days after it happened. If they knew where is the hide out and the name of the person why was he still alive?

 

It's complicated ... also a lot of embedded intelligence that doesn't necessarily "know in advance" what where when. A heck of a lot is possible, but doesn't eventuate ... however, Biden had warned of another attack somewhere some time

 

That was a different Taliban, it was the Taliban that split and became ISISK who want world domination who control a part of Pakistan and Afganistan . The Taliban dont want world Domination, that is why US left and let Taliban and ISIS fight amongst themselves instead of the US.

 

That was being lazy of me - I'll try and explain better

At the moment there are two major powers at play in Afghanistan - the Taliban and the US. Currently they are swopping positions - but like the ALP and LNP in Australia ... but ... there are also a dozen or so minor parties who all want a seat at the table as the secondary party once the US leaves, and will do so via any means they think necessary.

This new secondary party will then see themselves as able to be the top party. And all parties will join and split on various issues to tussle for that position at the table in matters of vested interest.

To simplify the politicks down to Taliban and US, is a bit like saying there are only two parties in Australia - which is not what my 3-foot wide Senate ballot tells me.

So you've currently got US (ALP) - Taliban (LNP) - ISIS-K (Greens) - ISIS (First Nation) - ousted government (Fishers and Shooters) - etc etc and right down to PUP and Independents

 

Some good news-ish ... appears the Taliban are trying to present themselves as leaders, to join in on the world stage (as opposed to brutal dictators)

U.S., 97 other countries announce deal with Taliban to keep evacuating allies after Aug. 31

"The most radical revolutionary will become a conservative the day after the revolution."

 

An interesting snippet - the average age in Afghanistan is 18.4

This means the majority of the population has lived their entire lives in relative freedom and peace ... I have faith good will prevail (eventually)

 

this middle east friendship chart shows how complicated things are over there. Note how everyone hates ISIS. If you played this as a gif over the last half century it would look like christmas lights

 

Probably because they simply didn't have enough intelligence to ID the individuals involved or their locations until after the bombing (possibly by picking up on their communications during or after the event).

There's an uncomfortable closeness between Taliban and American forces around Bagram but the Americans know the Talban are, above all, motivated in seeing them leave according to deadline. I suspect the Taliban have chosen only professional, disciplined men among their ranks to man that area so as to not jeopardise those interests.

 

There's still civil resistance in Panjshir lead by Massoud and some others in the other states, the place will just end like it was before being very unstable, the Taliban will take funding from any terrorist group to win. Now that they have the weapons that the US left behind it will make things a lot easier for them.

 

The US itself left very few weapons behind - the majority of weapons were those that had been purchased by the previous Afghan government - albeit, many from the US so they could work in with the US forces.

Those left behind by the US and Afghan army were either old technology - or would require supplies and specialised skills for maintenance (ie, the helicopters). That "weapons left behind" was a real blow out of the water beat up story

... but yes ... there will be a lot of in fighting on the cards, as they tussle for top dog position