Exercising pest and building clause

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  1. beachgurl

    beachgurl Well-Known Member

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    I have a signed contract on a property I am selling and the buyer has sent instructions regarding repairs to be made to the property prior to settlement and to provide evidence of repairs from a licenced carpenter. The items are - fix a hinge on a door, paint match a small patch on a wall, repair a patch of pilling carpet and removing some grass from a drain.

    Do these items fall within those whereby a buyer can rescind the contract, and is it a legal requirement that I have a licensed tradesman do this, rather than a handyman?

    My solicitor has contacted me asking for my advice - I thought that was their job. Anyway, I'd like to hear if this is standard tactics in qld to get a price reduction or to get out of a contract.
    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. Marg4000

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    I doubt these would be grounds to crash a contract. Throw the questions back to the solicitor for clarification.

    A carpenter won't fix carpet or remove grass from a drain!

    Your solicitor is probably asking for instructions, asking what you want to do.

    Many buyers seem to think that any minor defect in a B and P report is grounds to renegotiate the price. When we sold my mum's 60 year old house we priced it according to its condition, which was pretty good. We made it clear to the RE agent to tell any prospective buyer that we were selling as-is and, unless a B and P report showed major problems we would not be changing the contract price. All went well.
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    They sound like wear and tear to me.

    Non-issue & push back.
     
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  4. wylie

    wylie Moderator Staff Member

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    Those items sound like they would have been visible at the inspection.

    I'd be inclined to say "no" to them all, but it will come down to how badly you need to settle, whether you want to play "chicken" with the buyer, so many things.

    Those items sound simple to fix, and I'd be really peeved if a purchased tried that on. But, if you don't want to risk losing this buyer, if the price is right, then you could spend a few hundred doing them just to stop them walking.

    Whether they can walk from this contract for this silly little things will depend on the wording of the contract, especially regarding the B&P report.

    We've (a couple of times) allowed a grand or two grand to simply get it signed and unconditional rather than risk going through the whole thing again. A property can easily go stale, staging costs come into play etc. Sometimes, much as you might want to sat "stuff you" to these petty buyers, it makes financial sense to give a little.

    Still makes my blood boil though when they try this on.

    And we've also stood our ground when we've sensed it is purely a try on for a few thousand and they've caved in.
     
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  5. Big Will

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    Solicitor is asking what you want to do because they cannot make decisions but can act on your directions.

    Depending on the wording of the B&P clause will depend if they can claim if it only mentions structural issues tell them to get lost as this doesn't form part of the agreement.

    However if the wording does cover this (e.g. to their satisfaction) then it is now up to you. I personally would tell them to get lost as these are wear and tear and if all were visible on inspection then they should of accommodated that on their offer when first submitted BUT if is a slow market and there are very few buyers and you need to move on to the next stage then you will need to weigh up if it is worth agreeing.

    You can also counter their conditions by saying a handyman and/or excluding - you are negotiating still.

    My grandparents had a B&P come back with similar stuff (but about 30/40 items) and they were after a 3k reduction (approx. 700k purchase), they told them to get lost and they can either rescind their contract and they will go to the 40 other people who inspected the property that day or they can proceed... They proceeded without change.
     
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    Did they request these through a solicitor? These are such stupid little things! Check with your solicitor but I don't think they could hold up settlement for such trivialities or issues that would have existed at the time of inspection.
     
  7. beachgurl

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    Thanks for your replies. Yes they were delivered via their solicitor stating safety issues.
     
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    What are conditions they are operating under?

    In Victoria it is common to have a pest and building clause regarding 'major defects' or major structural,issues. What clause has been used here?

    At the very most, I would give $500 reduction. Or just say no.
     
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  9. Big Will

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    That grass in a drain you got to be careful you never know what could be hiding in there and I hear it will attack without warning and mainly when the house is asleep :rolleyes:

    Like I said your call as I don’t have all the information like you about market conditions and interest plus your situation but they are bluffing imho.
     
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    The really sad part is that the purchaser would likely have destroyed any goodwill in the transaction for pretty much $500 on a $x00,000 purchase.
     
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    A carpenter cant do any of the highlighted jobs. The request is flawed as a result. Replce a hinge - FFS. Thats a 3 min job . Next - Get a licensed sparkie to mow the lawns too. LOL

    These are simple condition items and trivial. If the contract didnt have a minor defects to be fixed agreement they cant come back and ask afterwards. It would never end. Your solicitor should just say that and decline the request. What did the solicitor advise ?? Its their job to advise you on a decision.
     
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    All property can be unsafe. Now they know there is a issue the owner can make it safe. No warranty about safety is given I would assume. Sold as-is.
     
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    How did you go with this @beachgurl ? Curious to know :)
     
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    Always wondered if I needed a sparky to change a spark plug :confused:
     
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    I would reduce a couple hundred and see what they say. Not worth tanking a deal over your offended feelings at the request. Its business leave feelings out of it.
     
  16. beachgurl

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    No offended feelings here - I've just never gone to that level to squeeze a but more out.

    I ended up agreeing to the conditions and it looks like it will cost me under $400. My solicitor gave no real advice - said it was up to me. I just wanted it done. Then they wanted to extend the finance clause as banks are slow right now. Another piece of BS that i called the purchaser out on so they realised they were pushing it too far in the end and went unconditional.
     
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    Sorted everything out for $400?
    Count that as a win!
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  18. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    In QLD the B&P is at the Buyer's absolute discretion. They can pretty much always walk. They can also ask for pretty much anything in return for waiving their rights under that clause. Doesn't mean the seller has to yes, or that there is any legal or reasonable basis for the works they request. The negotiation over waiving a B&P does not have to be reasonable, it is purely up to the parties to agree.
     
  19. wylie

    wylie Moderator Staff Member

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    When my mother was selling houses, she used to tell us to tighten up the standard clause to be harder for a buyer to walk on a silly little thing. Does beefing up the B&P clause work these days?
     
  20. RPI

    RPI SDA Provider, Town Planner, Former Property Lawyer

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    Absolutely.

    Special Condition Would Read Like
    Building and Pest Condtion
    1. The Standard Building and Pest Condition (?.?) is Deleted.
    2. The Buyer may Terminate this Contract within 7 days of the Contract Date should a licensed building and/or pest inspector find:
    (a) Structural Damage;
    (b) Active Termites within the Building;
    (c) Current water leakage inside the roof or walls.