ethics problems

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  1. Fernfurn

    Fernfurn Well-Known Member

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    We have a romantic two person apartment which we have rented out for five nights. They have been here for two nights and seem very nice, but last night (New Years eve) they have had two friends stay over. they can only be sleeping in the two lazy boy recliners. I am trying to decide whether to say anything to them, or at least say that their guests cant stay another night. What do people thinks a fair thing?
     
  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Mortgage broker licenced 4 tax/legal advice Business Member

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    Why?
     
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  3. Fargo

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    Is it unethical to mow your investment properties overgrown lawn at 6am on New Years day, after taking the muffler off it ?The tenants weren't impressed .
     
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    Sounds like they were being responsible, letting a couple of friends sleep the night after a big NY. It wasn't like they were having a party, I wouldnt worry.

    Also, curious how you know? And at 4am that night no less!?
     
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    PropertyTaxSolutions BCOM MCOM MTAX DIPFP CPA CTA Registered Tax Agent Business Member

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    That would imply no airbnb could ever allow guests to have visitors. Never allow those guests to allow the friends to stay over. It was new years eve !!! Late night. Drinking. Driving home may have been irresponsible. Id suggest that you forget about the one event in the new year and move on.
     
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    If it's going to worry you ,and play on your mind then say something ..Kerry Packer had a very good saying..
    ""If you don't complain , you don't have to explain..""
     
  7. Joynz

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    Maybe it was a romantic night for four?

    If two friends were staying over, what is the harm - i.e. what would your complaint to them be?
     
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    Im assuming its a one bedroom apartment.
     
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    Propertunity Exclusive Real Estate Buyers Agent Business Member

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    I can’t help but be reminded of The Psychiatrist episode of the Fawlty Towers sitcom where Basil (John Cleese) becomes obsessed with finding a woman that Johnson has sneaked into his room, but instead stumbles into several compromising situations with a beautiful young female guest.
    "Fawlty Towers" The Psychiatrist (TV Episode 1979) - IMDb
     
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    I wish I had your worries instead of mine.

    Happy New Year !
     
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    Next time you see them give 'em the death stare:

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    "Don't you EVER do that again to me!"
     

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    I really don't see what the concern is here. They aren't doing any harm and it is only for a brief period of time. Plus it could have just been for the night.
     
  13. Angel

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    One issue I see is if there was a fire and the insurance wont pay because the accommodation was licensed for max 2 occupants. Can be a big problem if someone was injured.
     
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    Yeah cos as I lay here at 2 in the morning, I know exactly how many people are in my places.....
     
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    Are you sure this is a thing?
    Does the apartment need to be licensed? And by who?

    Would all casual overnight guests be affected - e.g. a divorced partner’s kids dropped off unexpectedly due to an emergency, friends who have had too much to drink etc?
     
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    I think with tenancies they tend to mention usual or ordinary number of occupants. I could be wrong though.
     
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    My insurance documents don‘t mention number of occupants at all.

    However, I’m not renting out through Air BnB.
     
  18. Angel

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    I agree that this is a ridiculous proposition. However we have stayed in a studio apartment at a St Kilda hotel and there was a big sign on the wall stating what I wrote - something about due to the fire regulations, evacuation in an emergency blah blah, this apartment is not to have any more than two occupants. A romantic getaway in the country would not have the same population density as a hotel in St Kilda with security gates everywhere, true, but we dont know whether it is a stand alone house or part of a larger property managed by a commercial tourist company.
     
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