ETF ETF fee discrepancies

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  1. Zenith Chaos

    Zenith Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Interested in the fee discrepancy. Is this the cost of being domiciled in Australia?

    Should Australians be paying +400% more for ETFs than their U.S. counterparts? 25 September 2014 | Winston Capital Partners

    SHOULD AUSTRALIANS BE PAYING +400% MORE FOR ETFS THAN THEIR U.S. COUNTERPARTS? 25 SEPTEMBER 2014
    FORGET HOW MUCH WE PAY FOR DIGITAL CONTENT HERE IN AUSTRALIA, WHEN WE ARE PAYING OVER FOUR TIMES MORE FOR ETFS VERSUS OUR US COUNTERPARTS!
    There has been a lot of press over the past couple of years about how much extra Australian consumers have to pay to access digital content, given the marginal cost of delivery between various regions – The Australian newspaper recently referred to this price discrimination as ‘The Australia Tax’ (Demolishing ‘The Australia Tax’ Should be a government priority 9 August 2014).

    The article cites examples of Australians having to fork out 50% more for the hit show ‘Game of Thrones’, and 82% more for Sia’s new hit single when purchased via the Australian IT Tunes store versus buying it from the US store – and she is an Aussie!

    The IT Pricing Inquiry conducted by a House of Reps committee, which began in May 2013 received 133 submissions and 15 supplementary submissions “from angry consumers who detailed allegedly exorbitant prices they were paying.” (Australians pay 50 per cent more for tech goods, say IT pricing inquiry).

    It is little wonder that the media, government agencies and consumer groups have focused on this issue – it is simply not fair.

    And to the ETF market we go…

    But do Australian investors pay more in management fees than investors in other developed markets for their expsoures, where the cost of delivery can change due to different regulatory regimes, the size of the market opportunity set and different listing requirements etc, and if so, how large should these differences in prices be? And is there any evidence that Australians are over paying for like-for-like ETFs?

    The answer is not straightforward…

    Stage one of my desktop review looked at a small sample of like-for-like ETFs offered by the same companies here in Australia and in the US. This quick review highlighted that Australian investors do not seem to be getting a raw deal in terms of management fee differentials – this shows that the costs of operating in Australia and in the US are similar because the size of some of these ETFs are relatively small, ruling out lack of sale as a reason to have higher management fees. The second stage looked at ETFs that offer similar asset class exposures and performance characteristics to see whether there are more cost effective ways of getting these similar exposures. In this case, Australians are paying as much as +400% (not a typo) than they could or perhaps, should be. Surprisingly, where there are cheaper asset class exposures in the US ETF market, those providers already operate here in Australia, but have chosen, for whatever reason, to not offer those ETFs here.

    High level observations…

    1. Blackrock’s iShares have zero difference between prices offered to both Australian and US consumers in their global ETFs (they are expensive no matter where you reside!).
    2. Vanguard have some price differences between markets but in the main are the same (see below for a major exception).
    3. State Street (SPDRs) have similar prices between their Australian and US listed ETFs too.
    Vanguard, please explain…

    It’s worth pointing out the one major price discrepancy within Vanguard, because the Australian listed FTSE Emerging Market ETF (VGE) is a direct feeder into the US listed Vanguard FTSE Emerging Market ETF (VWO). However, the Australian ETF costs 0.48% p.a. versus 0.15% p.a. for the US listed ETF – a whopping +200% difference, which Vanguard do not replicate with their other ETFs. Please explain?! Remember, the operating costs are similar and scale has been ruled out as a reason for management fee differences.

    This price differential does not make sense because Vanguard is a not for profit organisation.

    So no smoking gun here thankfully, however…

    What is odd, however, is that because of the choices ETF providers have made here in Australia in terms of the ETFs they choose to offer, may be leading to consumers paying well in excess of what they should have to for similar asset class exposures. It seems that the big providers may have carved the market up between themselves to maintain prices (not an accusation), or, have not been able to identify enough scale to justify bringing more of their products to market at substantially lower prices. Below I provide some examples.

    Europe exposed ETFs are +400% more expensive in Australia than they could be

    The iShares European Equity ETF (IEU) costs 0.60% p.a. here in Australia. In the US, Vanguard offer similar exposures through their FTSE Europe ETF (VGK), which costs 0.12% p.a. That is, the Australian ETF is +400% more expensive than a similar ETF listed in the US – not exactly the same in terms of holdings but they are similar – see Table 1 below.

    Table 1 – The difference between the two portfolios is marginal but Australians pay a lot more

    Top 10 iShares European ETF (IEU) Vanguard FTSE Europe ETF (VGK)
    1 Novatris Royal Dutch Shell
    2 Nestle Nestle
    3 Roche HSBC
    4 HSBC Roche
    5 Total SA Novartis
    6 Royal Dutch Shell BP
    7 BP Total SA
    8 Sanofi Sanofi
    9 Banco Santander Banco Santander
    10 Bayer AG GlaxoSmithKile
    Table 2 – This lack of material portfolio difference shows up in the performance similarities of the two US listed ETFs to June 30, 2014

    iShares Europe ETF (IEV) Vangaurd FTSE Europe ETF (VGK)
    1 Year 29.39% 29.36%
    3 Years 8.54% 9.02%
    5 Years 12.65% 13.25%
    Healthcare exposed ETFs are 400% more expensive in Australia than they could be

    iShares offers their Global Healthcare ETF (IXJ) here in Australia for 0.48% p.a. but in the US, as with the Vanguard Europe ETF example above, Vanguard offers a Health Care ETF (VHT) for 0.14% p.a.. In this case, the Australian ETF is 240% more expensive than an offshore equivalent!

    Table 3 – as with the Europe ETF, there are many similar names across the two healthcare portfolios

    Top 10 iShares Global Healthcare (IXJ) Vanguard Health Care ETF (VHT)
    1 Johnson & Johnson Johnson & Johnson
    2 Novatris Pfizer
    3 Roche Holdings Merck & Co
    4 Pfizer Gilead
    5 Merck Amgen
    6 Gilead Briston-Myer
    7 Sanofi AbbVie
    8 Bayer United Health
    9 Glaxo Biogen
    10 Amgen In Celgene
    Table 4 – the Vanguard ETF has produced better returns in excess of the price differential to June 30, 2014

    iShares Global Healthcare ETF (IXJ) Vangaurd Health Care ETF (VHT)
    1 Year 28.31% 30.76%
    3 Years 19.90% 22.09%
    5 Years 19.38% 21.22%
    The performance tables above are in US dollar terms.

    Where to from here?

    It is obvious, that in time, ETFs will play a major role in investor portfolios given the growing preference for low cost and highly liquid asset class tools and instruments for their beta exposures. Australia is still a small ETF market at circa $10bn of AUM and 94 products on offer but is growing faster than system.

    Some ideas to consider…

    Firstly, Vanguard, please reduce the price of your Emerging Market ETF to match that of your US listed vehicle – it is a feeder fund and you like to boast that your ETFs are “90% lower than the average expense ratio of funds with similar holdings” (except if you live in Australia!).

    Secondly, IFAs need to start demanding that the ETF providers bring their low cost ETFs into the market for similar exposures to create some healthy competition, and along with it, substantially lower prices for Australian consumers.

    Lastly, both ETFs and their more active cousins, Listed Investment Companies (LICs), need to have all of their fees disclosed in investor portfolios. The crazy anomaly exists in the market today where multi-managers and model portfolio providers do not have to disclose such fees in the underlying manager costs because they are seen as listed companies (and not listed managed funds, which they effectively are), which artificially lowers the cost of the overall portfolios when they are used to gain asset class exposures – this is optics because the fees are eating into gross returns. I know of some dealer groups that do actually disclose these ETF/LIC management costs to clients – bravo to them. Making these fees disclosable, will put pressure on ETF providers to offer their best and lowest cost products to Australian consumers – there is little incentive for them to do that presently whilst there is a fee disclosure free lunch.
     
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  2. Nodrog

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    Vanguard's VGE fee is way too expensive. Not worth investing in. It's dirt cheap as part of US domiciled VEU available on ASX.
     
  3. Paul@PAS

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    In Australia ETFs are a unitised trust. Its a complex and expensive regulatory environment v's USA. Also trading volumes and minimum compliance requirements mean the costs are spread over a far smaller market.
     
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