Energy & Electricity, Production & Source discussion

Yes! Again private industry steps up ... this is the sort of thing the federal government should've been involved in 5 years ago instead of trying to prop up the dying petrol car industry

TrueGreen to reveal roadmap for electric vehicle production facility in Moss Vale

 

Just to remind everyone that the city with the most energy from renewables has the highest electricity bills in the world, only shared with Germany and Norway. ( Almost $3000 per year without a swimming pool in the backyard).
The consequence of the demolition of coal fired plants around Australia has resulted in the need to nationalise the energy grid through the establishment of interstate inter connectors. This has left out energy grids very unstable as places like SA rely on the wind to blow snd the sun to shine all the time which we know doesn’t happen.
Many houses now in Adelaide have had to buy generators so they can cope with the blackouts.
Elon Musk’s biggest battery in the world gives a total of 4 minutes power.
At the end of the day it will be the loss of jobs all over Australia as we become less and less competitive in the world economy.
God forbid that as a result of renewables you have a loved one stuck on the operating table when there is a black out.

 

You may be interested in this link.

Energy - CSIRO

 

Solid company involved too! BYD is one of China’s and the worlds top EV makers

 

You clearly have no idea what this battery is for then, if that's what your take is!

 

Well it was designed to increase grid stability in adverse weather conditions, was it not?

 

Hubby has recently applied for a job with CSIRO in their hydrogen storage research department so fingers crossed

 

You're such a negative Nellie. Economic data points to more jobs in a shift to renewables than current in coal and gas ... and what makes you think well be less competitive? At the moment we basically dig up rock and send it overseas ... nothing particularly advantageous in that.

The future lies in research and development, of which Australian researchers are at the cutting edge, and high tech production ... both of which the federal government seems to bury it's head in the coal stacks over

 

Read up on FCAS.

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjACegQIARAF&usg=AOvVaw0dquhBUClSay6kaFCC7D-_

FCAS.

It is possible wind turbines might provide base load power.
The blades are rotated to increase or decrease revolution's based on how much wind there is and how much demand for electricity.
We are getting there, slowly

 

Again Australia leads the way in research

Solar breakthrough realises potential of ‘miracle material’ forged in Earth’s mantle

 

I like! And see this as the way of the future, even for suburban communities as storage improves

Solar plus storage better than grid connection for remote households | RenewEconomy

 

Perovskites could transform solar power - CNN

 

Some fascinating stuff on hydro.

Global PHES Atlas - RE100 - ANU

 

Morrisons sneaking through the NSW gas powered elec plant 3mths ahead of time before Biden takes over and he has to deal with climate change pressure. He's literally cutting off early, the power companies choice to offer true renewable or an alternative. Which was suppose to be by end of Jan. Doesn't want to hear it so he's cutting them off early and getting in now, amazing , and no one will even notice , not one reporter- so called, or even Australian that l've heard , has said jack or even brought it up as yet.
And of course it is costing way more than all the neigh sayers here were sayin , 3.6 billion to start but of course that'll blow out to at least 4.6 probably more, whata surprise.
lmagine , what we could do towards real renewable with that kind of money .
And everyone will come in saying but but but now, truth is though there is nothing, renewable about gas, it's just more coal that doesn't smell as bad.

See what Australia and all our brilliant on the ball reporters have to say about it over the next few wks, mths , if it's even raised is my guess.

 

For anyone engaging in the need to transition debate - this is an interesting article with statistics.

Apparently on 33% of coal that is consumed, is actually converted to energy - and only 20% of petrol - the rest is lost as heat, noise, friction etc.

Numbers Show We’re Not as Addicted to Fossil Fuels as You Think

 

Yes @Lizzie loss is a great point

Coal fired base load power stations are like steam trains, they can be sitting at the station ready to go, and someone is there throwing coal/wood in to keep it ready to go even though it is effectively doing nothing !

That's what happens with coal power stations, the fire is still burning when demand drops, and the fire has to keep burning to ramp the turbines back up when demand increases (so the network doesn't crash).

Speaking of "loss", I would love to see the statistics on how much electricity is "lost" due to transmission over hundreds of kilometres............
The fluro tube test
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...BMAB6BAgBEAQ&usg=AOvVaw1rwrI2McQrtzw8CkV0ZpcX

 

Let him build it, I doubt it will cost anywhere near that much (looking at how much the Altona Vic plant cost)....
If you want funds to put toward renewable energy try getting them from here

Talk about waste

 

Well that's what Morrison reckons take it up with him.Doesn't matter anyway that's caught up on the irrelevant instead of the big picture, what that kinda money could do for renewable energy instead. And l've not seen one form of media or Autsralian , pick up on the other point that Morrison's rushing this through 2mths ahead of when he first stated- obviously before any of the power companies can produce an alternative plan - which was supposedly the whole idea of bringing this on in the first place , to force them to act.l haven't seen that detail mentioned, anywhere. No wonder our governments can do what they please.
Bur once again Australia should hang it's head in shame and again what should be one of the most important threads in this place is 3 pages.
Because l saw an interview with head of the United Nations climate change committee this morning. Disgusted with Australia's inaction on climate change, one of the worst yet most blessed countries in the world covered in sun that should be leading the world yet instead it's almost last on the list.
She can't understand how Australian people keep voting in governments in denial that refuse to act ha, her and me both , not to mention half the world scratching their head about us too.
She said in 10 yrs Australia have done virtually nothing. But actually , Albenisi - however you spell his name,said it's been going on 20yrs now, not 10.

 

Why Australia's emmisions are so high
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...FjABegQIARAE&usg=AOvVaw0j9eW3E1KwEvQwaMLsiHOv
Bit of a shame, just because we export coal we are lumbered with the potential emissions, even though another country ends up burning it and they incur no emmisions.....

Coal emits higher amounts of CO2 per unit of energy production, compared to oil and gas. (gas is a better alternative to coal at least).

I'm already excluded from exporting any more energy to the grid, my area/street now has too many solar panels (and wind turbines are banned due to noise)