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  1. SOULFLY3

    SOULFLY3 Well-Known Member

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    Hi guys
    Purchased a large corner block on the Peninsula after scouring the net for quite a while.
    Large house with enough room for another 2 x Townhouses (side by side duplex)

    Currently renovating the existing 70’s house and is PPOR. (5 bed, 3 toilet, DLUG)

    Diagonally from me the same set up (existing house and a side by side duplex is near complete)
    The guys were bummed to not grab might site.

    Unfortunately I cannot get a master bed on ground floor. Hoping to receive feedback from the experts
    As its my first project and want to get it as right as possible design wise :)




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  2. Mike Sargeant

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    Separate living/meals on unit 2 looks like an old school approach. Full laundries may be a luxury in this scenario and there seems to be other areas to economise space e.g. entry of Unit 3...doesn't guarantee there is enough space for a bedroom downstairs but I suspect a fuller redesign would reveal how compromised your living spaces become?
     
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  3. Archaon

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    POS of Unit 3?

    I agree full sized laundries look un-economical, laundry behind cavity slider in garage?
     
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    SOULFLY3 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks guys appreciate the replies

    Completely had the same thought regarding laundries
    I will discuss with designer

    in regards to POS of unit 3 does that mean utilise space better ?
     
  5. Archaon

    Archaon Well-Known Member

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    Private open space, every dwelling needs a space, whether it is a balcony or back yard, that needs to be level, you will need to consult your DCP/LEP of your local government to see the requirements.
     
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  6. Mike Sargeant

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    I believe the open space of unit 3 is what it is because of the required clearance to the sewer(?) drain parallel to but outside the easement? Relocating is probably a prohibitive expense and I hate to speculate on others designs without checking local policies or knowing a site well, but a carport over the easement and drain maybe wasn't an option???
     
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    Archaon Well-Known Member

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    Ahh yeah, I see what you mean, though most have to be square.

    And they are usually delineated on concept plans etc.

    No point drawing up plans to get them costed if they won't pass a DA
     
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    thanks yes not detailed on attached plans above but have been included in the POS plans

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  9. Archaon

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    3m wide, that's pretty good.

    Locally we need approx 5mx5m square.
     
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  10. Archaon

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    Are you building to sell or retain?
    Are these designs from an architect or builder?
    Have you had a quote on the designs as they stand?
    What's the minimum POS for Unit 2?

    UNIT 3:
    Possible ideas
    Downstairs:
    ~ Flip stairs.
    ~ Build cupboards and TV spot into wall under stairs and make separate media room.
    ~ Delete Powder room
    ~ Turn Laundry into second bath with shower toilet basin, delete exit door.
    ~ Make space at the end of the garage to house washer/dryer/tub behind cavity slider/cupboard doors, so it lines up with edge of island
    Upstairs:
    ~ Turn "Retreat" into study nook with built in desk? (not really big enough to put TV and lounge) bring in front wall to line up with stairwell, less hips.
    ~ Bring in the side of bed 2 to keep wall straight (less hips in roof, straighter wall, more appealing?)
    ~ Move WC/Robe south 200mm and widen main bath, make shower 1100mm wide.
    ~ Widen ensuite, put in good size shower, move WIR left, make wider Linen and rotate to face WC/Bath doors.
    ~ Change Bed 3 door orientation to enter from left
    ~ Move Bed 2 door down to accommodate Bed 3 door

    ~ Might be expensive, but a Balcony of Bed 1 would be appealing

    UNIT 2:
    Possible Ideas
    Downstairs:
    ~ Move meals wall down 890mm.
    ~ Move kitchen up 1000mm living becomes media
    ~ Build cupboards under stairs for linen
    ~ Delete powder room and incorporate into Laundry, more laundry wall up 909mm to line up with rear wall, delete door to POS outside
    ~ move door from garage to enter house where powder room was.
    ~ Meals becomes Living/Dining 5981mm x 5680mm
    Upstairs:
    ~ Widen Bed2 100mm, bring in Bed 3 wall, change Bed2 to Bed1 with Walk-through robe and Ensuite, big shower.
    ~ Bring rear bath wall up 834mm to line up with downstairs wall.
    ~ Bring rear ens wall down to line up with rear wall.
    ~ Make bath area bed 3
    ~ move WIR wall up 300mm
    ~ Make Ens/WIR into Bathroom
    ~ Bed2/Bed3 dimensions 3.5m x 3m, put robes on 3.5m length
    ~ Bathroom closer to bed2/bed3
     
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    Thanks @Archaon
    Appreciate you picking it apart.
    Building to hopefully Retain (otherwise would sell Unit 2)
    I have had ballpark figures mid 5’s build

    Ill start with Unit 3-
    Agree with all downstairs thanks.
    One thing Would ‘media room’ be the Entrance/Powder room?

    Upstairs not quiet sure on this-
    Widen ensuite, put in good size shower, move WIR left, make wider Linen and rotate to face WC/Bath doors.
    how would 1 enter bed 3 ?

    like the balcony idea (view is not much though)
     
  12. Archaon

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    I'm not very experienced with developing, so my comments are just my thoughts.

    I'll try to draw the setup I'm thinking I'll have it done by this afternoon, I can understand how words only are hard to convey ideas.

    Regards,
    Arc
     
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    @SOULFLY3 can you confirm that U2 current ground floor length for living/kitchen/meals is 10m? Can it be any longer?
     
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    Hi @Westminster
    Will get back to you ASAP on that question
     
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    From what I've calculated, it's about 9.5m long, with the chance to be 10.5m long while retaining the 3m POS out the back, not sure on minimum area though.
     
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    I've butchered it i swear, but this is what my thinking was, not sure how practical.

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    The door to bed 2 could come down and bed 3 door along with it, its not to scale or anything.
     
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    The design solution seem clumsy to me. It smells of a drafter, not an architect. Doesn't seem much thought has gone into circulation and the creation of space (eg powder roo in unit 2 off the meals area, no handbasin, and yet there's a laundry adjacent). I'd be getting some quality professional advice, and not just tinkering around the edged (despite the useful comments, above). Also - corner block? no chance of access of both streets?
     
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  18. SOULFLY3

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    Thanks @Archaon makes sense now

    Thanks for feedback @Tufan Chakir I think there is a tiny basin - but yes not a fan of either laundry & powder room setups, So will be requesting changes.
    No access as existing house is on block and utilises the other street
     
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  19. SOULFLY3

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    Bit of an update on my first development..
    Fwit neighbour objected & took me to Vcat.
    A year later and in under 45min I won and he looked like an absolute fool.
    All he gained was a lattice extensions on fence

    Currently at the subdivision stage (still waiting on building permit as civil's with council)
    This is where I need help

    The surveyor is telling me the norm is to put all 3 under a owners corporation schedule
    (manage common water, storm water and sewerage.)

    A real estate is stating doing this the original homes value will drop by 100k easily.
    Original home is a 31sq 4 bed 2.5 bath DLUG (will be on 440sq)
    and this will be now classed as a unit :eek:

    Surveyor estimated 30-40k for South east water to do the works to install 2x storm water detention and sewer mains extension & reckons ill be waiting 6-9 months minimum

    Has anyone had similar experience or where to go from here?
    Engage a engineer?