Dual-Key / Twin-Key Dwelling Examples

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  1. radioactive

    radioactive Well-Known Member

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    Can anyone list the due diligence points for dual income dwellings please.
    Thanks in advance.
     
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    I would assume so but I don't think all councils here like dual occ so some people will misdirect their intention and not show a second kitchen for example so that it looks like one large house.
     
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    As @Westminster mentioned the appetite for these dwellings varies greatly from local government to local government. As such I’d say the main DD point would be to get a good feel for what LG’s in your target areas encourage (or tolerate) dual occ dwellings. Hard to say how to best to do this without just having the experience though - probably:
    • speak to builders who are rolling out this product (but always verify what they tell you)
    • speak to a town planner with experience in the area
    • look for precedents on the ground
    • check LG planning policies (many have an ‘ancillary dwelling policy’ or similar) and speak to LG planner to see if this is something they actively encourage.
     
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    Dixon Homes Dual-key - Hunter NSW

    I am in conversation with a Town-planner in Maitland, NSW and it seems to be, the provisions for attached Granny-Flats in NSW is that they are "not greater than 50% floor area of the main dwelling".
    I'll be getting verification in the future, but this could mean that you could have a 200m2 main house 4bdrm with a 100m2 2bdrm attached GF on 600m2 whilst not needing to strata-title and pay seperate rates etc.
     
  5. radioactive

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    I saw one of the dual occupancy home in caversham.The builder had actually proposed it to shire as a normal 4x2 with an additional kitchen and separation between dwelling had a door.So it does look like dual living where your grandparents or grown up kid could live.However,its an IP where they would rent it to two seperate families.They didn't had any clear answer when i asked them whether it complies with shire requirement.Their stance is since its approved and built it complies with shire requirements.I asked city of swan whether i can build a dual occupancy home on 350 sqm block purely for investment purpose and they clearly said that min required required block size is 400.

    I am bit confused on what is the absolute block size required for dual living homes.Is it 450?and would it be illegal to rent out two seperate families if its on a less than 450 block?or are there any rules or approval required for rooming accommodation?

    I would appreciate input from WA members.
    @Westminster @Aaron Sice @Kent Cliffe @JohnPropChat

    Thanks alot in advance
     
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    State says 450 for dual occ / ancillary dwelling but there's nothing stopping you having two kitchens.
     
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    Westminster Tigress at Tiger Developments Business Member

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    I agree with this.
    My concern always with these setups is how it's handled with the building code and how they are separated for fire and acoustics.
     
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    Thanks for sharing your views.
    Do you think it could be illegal to lease out to two different families.
    Is there any regulation on the same?
     

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    Thanks for sharing your views.The one i saw had a fire/acoustic wall separation.The builder said that insurance company would insure like just a normal 4x2 house.


    I am wondering if council had approved it then wouldn't it be complying to all the building code regulations.What is the correct building code/regulation that i can look in to?Also,if there is any regulation on leasing to two seperate families.
     

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    Re: insurance-found this on forum-house and granny flat can be insured with Terri Scheer -they advised a single building policy and two landlord insurance policies to cover the two separate tenancies.
     
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    I personally wouldn't try and do a dual lease setup on anything less than a properly approved ancillary dwelling that was completely self contained.
     
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    Not necessarily but I have to reiterate what I explained to you on PM - that isn't a true dual occ and you WILL have trouble renting it.
     
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    Dual Occ's are what I do.

    4 bedroom house + 1 bedroom granny flat on a single title.

    Fenced off. Separate entries. Individually metered and then rented out to 2 independent tenants

    Here's one way to do it - corner lot. My SMSF purchased this.

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    Here's another option for a corner lot. A PC member purchased this

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    Here's another - this is an attached option for a narrower non corner lot PC member purchased this one as well

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    Detached - wider non corner lot. Yep, a PC member purchased this one too!


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    Separate occ is the ONLY way to do this properly and get maximum yield.

    @radioactive - that plan is little more than a glorified teen retreat.
     
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    Do you mean detached, or separate private open space fenced individually?

    If the latter i agree wholeheartedly.
     
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    @euro73 @Westminster @Aaron Sice
    Thanks for the input.I appreciate it.
    I understand that detached dwelling would be better from yield perspective.
    However,I am wondering when you want to resell the property down the years(once the nras is over),wouldn't an attached secondary dwelling with a possibility to convert it in to single dwelling by minor modification be better from resale perspective?
    Do you have any idea on the same.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Almost certainly no. You're still better off selling a single title property with two detached dwellings in most circumstances imo.
     
  20. radioactive

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    Thanks for sharing your opinion.