Donald Trump for President..

Discussion in 'Politics' started by willair, 23rd Jul, 2015.

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  1. MTR

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    Geoff that was a typo $1m is what I heard
     
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    Yeah; I don't know if there are many steel manufactures left over there now; it may be getting very tough to source major quantities for larger industries which need large volumes of steel? Most of their car manufacturing industry has gone (overseas) due to steel costs and general manufacturing costs..and many of the steel industry players would have relied on the car industry for their sales. One follows the other.

    No; I am saying that there are plenty of illegal workers over there, and if the various industries cannot find enough legitimate workers, then there is a plentiful supply of people who are willing to work for a reduced rate for cash in hand.

    Having been the USA on a number of occasions through work, driving around places such as California, Arizona, Texas etc; there are lots of times you will see groups of Hispanic men (and sometimes women) standing on selected street corners, waiting for someone to come along and offer them work. They wait there all day, and are often there every day in the hope of getting work..and they do get work.

    The building and farming industries are two particular industries where you see mostly Hispanic labourers doing the work over there...same for many of the take-away food chains. Maybe it's because the "white folks" don't want to do these jobs, so the various owners have no choice?

    Operations as large as Trump's would of course use the correct channels for the most part, I believe; but I have no doubt that for some of the "less skilled" jobs such as labourers, cleaning, gardening and so forth; there would be a percentage of illegals in among them.

    The problem they have there is complex; the illegal immigrant flow over the border is approaching a large enough number that it is beginning to (already has been) affecting their bottom line; more mouths to feed, but not enough tax revenue coming in from them, and their "legitimate" workers not getting enough work and/or pay rises as per CPI. Their wage growth has been stagnant for many years now.

    Add to this the ever-increasing strain on their Healthcare system, and combined with the Global Economy situation where many of their manufacturing jobs etc have been relocated in other Countries, you then have a terrible equation...we are doing pretty much the same thing here in Aus....and Mal Turnbull supports a raise immigration up from 13,000 to 50,000 per year?

    It's simply not financially viable to continue to do it - especially if the intake of refugees, illegals etc are not paying any income taxes, but are on welfare, and/or taking cash-in-hand work - and thus you have Governments (not usually Left wing socialist Governments - who favour open borders, refugee intake increases etc) looking to curtail immigration (especially illegal immigration) to help get their economy back on track.

    Now; Trump - even though not a Politician - is a major player of industry, has been around for many decades and will have witnessed and experienced all this, and thus you have his policies on such things as the illegal immigration issue, the Global economy issue (jobs and revenues coming back into the USA), resticting wholesale immigration generally, and of course; the threat of Islamic Terror infiltration among those seeking to immigrate, and/or cross the borders illegally.

    He does not need the money (funded much of his own campaign), he is now 70 years old, doesn't need the fame - why would anyone like him bother to take it all on; especially given how badly he has been treated by everyone every step off the way; trying to stop him?

    Only someone who has decided they have had enough of the rubbish he has been witnessing, and who wants to fix their situation, and has the passion, the drive and the resources to get elected, get a top-line Team around him, and get the job done.

    Of course; such statemets as "build a wall" are to many a shocking thing to say (but we already know that Hillary has said the exact same thing and no-one had an issue with it when she said it); but if everyone sat down and looked at the situation realisitically; it has to be done otherwise they will never get their economy back on track.
    Illegal Immigration, Population Estimates in the United States, 1969-2014 - Illegal Immigration - ProCon.org
     
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    The focus in that story was never on the SS - it was always about the media having a hissy fit because he didn't tell them. It was widespread condemnation on most of the news services...."how dare he not tell us" was the attitude....it went on for days.

    Fox News had a major laugh about it, and showed various other stations having meltdowns about it (CNN for one)..Fox News's attitude was "good on him; he deserves a bit of quite time without the media hounding him" (but the media eventually found him and did it anyway; inside the packed restaurant).

    And the media wonders why he did it? All he cops is constant abuse; never a positive anything. I don't blame him, he is not the stereo-type Pollie looking for photo-ops, and good on him. He is not scared of the media, has no respect for them now after what they have been doing, and it will probably only get worse because they have "doubled down' on their rubbish.

    The traditional Press Gallery in the White House will never be the same after he takes Office.

    No; it could have been a man. But; you brought her up and flamed her simply because you hate Trump, and did not give her any credit for what she has achieved. That was grossly unfair. Good to see you have corrected yourself, though. :)

    Well; it is an extremely important factor, because almost all women of the Democrats, the Left and the Greens, the Feminists, most of the media and even the Trump-haters of the Republican Right view him as a woman hating sexist pig. The fact that he employed her, and the fact that she strongly supports him, and has glowing remarks for the man shows that he is not what all these folks above think.

    I have even heard some women Trump haters say; "He only employed her because she is blonde and good looking!"....I mean; it's pathetic, and a monstrous insult to her. To her credit; she simply laughs off that one - as she should.

    I've watched her being interviewed many times - on Fox, and on CNN etc. On Fox; it is easy for her to answer questions forthrightly because they are not continuously asking her questions where she needs to defend herself and/or Trump from criticism. They actually ask her about his policies, his plans and so on; instead of rubbish questions designed to be "gotchas" and so forth.

    CNN, "The View" and the others on the other hand; and I've watched them question her; it is as I have described; constant attack/criticism and basically nothing positive...I don't know about you, but if I was working for a Presidential candidate, I would be doing whatever I could to support him and put forward his good traits in the face of attack and ridicule.

    "The View" - headed by Whoopie Golberg; is a disgrace; there were 4 of them - all Dems - ganged up on her simply because they are all of the Left and hate Trump - could not give her a decent "attaboy" for her achievement, or ask some pertinent questions about policy without spinning it into a Trump bash. She handled them beautifully and showed far more class than all 4 of them put together.

    Wasn't Whoopi one of the many who were going to move out of the USA if Trump won?...(but none have, as yet).
     
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    Haven't read past the first bit yet but the ONLY story I saw was to do with secret service.
     
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    Sounds like you are the one watching too much mainstream media since you're advocating the highest rating mainstream cable news network.


    You're like a chef advocating a vegan diet while recommending your favourite pork rib recipes.
     
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    HIGHEST RATING BY FAR, OFTEN HIGHER THAN NUMBER 2 AND NUMBER 3 COMBINED, BY DEFINITION CANNOT BE MAINSTREAM OR THE MINORITY.
     
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    Just a bit of trivia, that is incorrect
     
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    Actually, you brought her up, not me. I didn't "flame her". I said she speaks a lot. That's all I said. I didn't bag her at all. I said she does a good job, albeit defending a man such as Trump.

    No idea about The View.
     
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    It's been pointed out and accepted as incorrect.

    I made a similar mistake in the other direction when I stated that Buffett gave away $3.5M to charity- it was in fact $3.5B.
     
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    Fox News is just as mainstream as others- the only difference is that it's watched by people who agree with the views it expresses. They fill a place in the market, and have been very successful in that place.

    I find it a pity that people wish to restrict themselves to only hearing one side of a story.
     
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    It's vastly oversimplified, I agree. Especially considering only about half of the country voted.

    My intention was rather to say that a very big proportion of people didn't support the person who came to power. Despite this, many people are appearing to suggest that nobody should criticise the person who won. Sour grapes and the like. But I didn't like the man before, why should I change my opinion now just because he won the vote? I would be an absolute hypocrite if I started saying great things about somebody who I regard as an awful man. The election result didn't change that.

    I would have been a lot less unhappy if there had been somebody in power who was a person who I could actually respect as a person. I disagree with Pence, Cruz, Jeb Bush and a number of others politically- but I respect them all a lot more as people.
     
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    How do you know?

    You said you don't watch either Fox or CNN? :confused:

    CNN has the infamous title now of; Clinton News Network...that is not me saying this; just passing it on.

    No-one was upset when the previous last two Elections were won on the current voting system.
     
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    Sorted;
     
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    I believe many people were very upset at the previous two elections. Why would you say otherwise?

    Actually, I'd love for the media to ignore Trump. It would upset him bigly. He is quite simply, a big show off and cannot bear not having people cheer him. The "thank you" rallies are just embarrassing to watch. And half empty I believe.
     
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    No-one was upset at the election process; but now the entire media, Democrats, Left/Liberals...are - and are still vocal about it..

    Complete silence about the system when Obama won both elections.

    This above-mentioned group are still in meltdown mode over Trump winning and their candidate not winning; so a scapegoat/excuse must be found, I guess.
     
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    Seriously. We are watching different shows. I've seen no meltdowns. What are you watching?
     
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    I think we have had too many porkies in this thread:p watch Fox