Donald Trump for President..

We were talking about racism, not illegal immigrants. This is what he actually said

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”

Nice of him to say that there's some nice people in amongst all those people.

But when it comes to illegal immigrants, we have another issue.

The US has been happy to have them for many generations because they have filled a need. If there were no Latinos in the US then crops wouldn't be harvested and hotel rooms would be filthy. The Latinos have been willing to do work which nobody else has wanted to do, and at a cheaper cost than Americans have been willing to do. During times of comparatively full employment, nobody worried about this. But as factories have become more automated, as they shift manufacturing offshore, and especially following the GFC, this has become a much bigger issue. But it's not an issue which has been unaddressed. Obama has deported more than any other president before him- 2.4M between 2009 and 2014. A majority of these had a criminal record. Trump stated that Obama had moved many people out of the US, which was true; he stated that it had not been talked about, which was not true. Many newspaper stories had covered this.

The deportations may cause problems in Mexico, but that's not the problem of the US. Many of the people deported come from troubled parts of Central America, and from South America. Mexico has, and will, had to cope with what are in effect refugees from other countries.

Trump has also stated that he will clamp down on visa overstayers. This is a good thing. While I don't know much of what is happening in that regard in the US, I know that it's happening a lot in Australia, and little appears to have been done to stop it. I know that Australians who want a casual job anywhere where this is a beach will have trouble getting a full paying documented job. The problem in Australia is not refugees. It's visa overstayers.

Good campaigning. I didn't see him out visiting before he was campaigning.

 

Sorry, typo.

He gave away $2.5 billion to charity in one year, of which he claimed (possibly the maximum allowable) $3.5 million.

No, he's never beat his chest about it. The Trump organisation originally said that it wasn't a true story - it is a story which has been credited also to several other people. It doesn't fit in with his comparative lack of charity elsewhere. However he does seem to get more mileage out of it than Bill Gates gets for the Gates Foundation, or the money Buffett has given away.

Buffett has never believed in family getting much in the way of benefits from his name or his money. He disowned his granddaughter (after paying for her education, the only support he gives any of them) for using the family name in a documentary, something of which he very strongly disapproves.

 

I've watched many, many hours before the election. Please don't tell me what I've watched, or not.

And please don't tell me why I don't like him. You have no idea about what I like or not, and why.

Kellyanne Conway... pfft. She speaks well, never shuts up actually.

I believe he will either make America great again or ruin it completely. Let's just wait and see.

I think it is funny that he wants to drain the swamp but he is just (as they say) filling the swamp with different alligators.

I don't understand why there isn't more uproar about his daughter sitting in on his meeting with the Japanese leaders? So many other things that he is doing that would have everyone jumping up and down if HRC (or anybody else) was doing... and nobody is stopping him.

 

This was covered on CNN. They clearly have a bias towards Democratics, just as Fox has a bias for Republicans, but to say their coverage ignored who visited where is just wrong.

 

I don't watch CNN. I don't watch Fox. I don't watch, I read. And I read from as many sources as I can find, including Fox and Breitbart. The papers which tend to be more left wing (NY Times, Washington Post) have a limited number of articles per month without subscribing, so I tend not to read them much.

 

Yes... seriously.

I believe the secret service were seriously upset that he just went off without their protection to dinner. I've not seen anything about the media gnashing teeth over it, but who knows.

Kellyanne is fabulous at what she does, what she did. Does the fact that she is a woman change that? Really? (... and she is still annoying, even if she is fantastic at her job).

Her gender doesn't change anything. She still turns every question about something that is not quite right into a rant about how fabulous he is, what is doing right etc. Just like any politician anywhere. Wouldn't it be lovely if someone, anyone would just answer the question that is asked?

 

No way.

$1,000,000 to $3,000,000 per day by estimates from various sources. That's million, not billion as you've said.

 

I've no idea if Trump could have used US steel, but are you saying that he couldn't find legal workers?

 

Trump has had women in positions of influence in his organisation for a long time. They tend to be related to him.

However this is not what has been the issue about Trump and women. He has had a tendency to classify women who he doesn't know by their looks. Women who look good often get treated as objects. Women who don't may be the subject of disparaging remarks based on their looks.

Just wondering though. If the fact that he has a black on his cabinet proves that he isn't racist towards blacks, what does that say about Muslims and Latinos? He has said that he has friends who are Latinos, but has been very condescending in his remarks.

 

It's the nature of democracy. In our Western governments, around 50% tend to support one party, 50% the other. When that tips towards 51%, that person gets in- leading to 49% who are unhappy with the choice. Those 49% aren't going to change their beliefs as a result, as many here appear to want to happen.

There was a lot of very good mud slinging going on during the election- to the extent that many people who thought that Hillary was a good candidate at the start of the process didn't think so by the end. I'm sure that there was a good deal of misogyny from the American public contributing to her loss.

Many people who voted for Trump were personally unhappy with the man, but supported the party for which he ran- witness the support of the evangelical Christians. They would vote for anybody who opposed abortion and gay marriage, despite the man's personal values being quite different to their own.