Donald Trump for President..

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  1. JDP1

    JDP1 Well-Known Member

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    I think Trump's right- it's all rigged.. I mean, Brisbane hasn't boomed and thr Chinese are still focussed on Sydney /Mel
    ..I smell a conspiracy theory :)
     
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    It's still 50/50,look what happened prior in the UK..
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    Maybe the same scale odds prior to what happened in the "UK",I still think Trump will win,.
     
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    I agree with Trump, it is rigged. How else would an ignorant, bigoted, unethical, hate filled monster like him become the candidate?
     
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    I think he can still win, but I'm not as sure that he will now. Hillary's team has done a good job of framing him as a maniac with his finger on the nukes (absurd, but it's worked), and the trump tapes scandal hurt him a bit, as did the tax stuff. It seems to be dying away a bit though.

    If Trump wins, it will likely be because:
    a) people aren't willing to publicly state they're voting for trump (they want change)
    b) potential Hillary voters don't bother voting.
     
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    Paddy Power also paid out early on Greece voting yes in the austerity referendum, how did that turn out for them? £800k for mainstream media to plaster this bookmaker across their news pages is probably just considered cheap advertising...

    I think Trump is less likely than Hillary to win, but with Trump paying $5, I couldn't help puting $100 on him to win :)

    If they were fake, those implicated in them would be screaming as much rather than just their usual misdirect about them being a product of Russian hacking. Also very unlikely Assange is spiteful enough to throw his entire empire under the bus for the sake of throwing a single US election.
     
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    Seems like they are both crooks if any of this is true: Latest Wikileaks Releases Boost Case for DNC Class Action Lawsuit

    I have no idea if it is true or partisan nonsense, but articles like this seems to confirm there is a suspicion of wrongdoing on the Clinton's part:

    State Department sued over ‘collusion’ with Clinton Foundation

    I read a comment the other day: with millions of Americans to choose from, how did we end up with these 2? I would be thinking the exact same thing if I had to vote for either of them.
     
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    If it's 50/50 I'll take a bet on Clinton with you. The odds will be far better than the betting sites I've seen.

    Hillary's team hasn't had to work very hard to discredit him. He's done a lot by himself. He's shown a lot of what he's really about in the debates.

    It's possible the polls could be wrong, as I've already mentioned in post #1377.

    I think it's ironic that if he hadn't done so much to alienate minorities- latinos, blacks, Muslims and especially women- he would be a dead cert to be winning.

    I think it's significant that not one executive of a Fortune 100 company 'has donated to his campaign, which is highly unusual for a Republican candidate - Donald Trump: a billionaire shunned by the very rich

    If Trump were elected, he has already promised to at least review, and probably tear up, defence and trade agreements. Australia has done well be these, and their removal would be a big problem to Australia.

    As to economics- the article I've referenced above suggests
     
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    Several things about this.

    1. An amazing coincidence that this is one of the few polls which Trump has quoted in his Twitter account- and that when it showed him leading by 2. Now he's behind by 1 on that poll.
    2. There's only one poll which really counts- the one on November 8
    3. The polls are showing a big range. This one is an outlier. As is the ABC poll which puts Clinton leading by 12%.

    This shows a range of polls:
    RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

    At the time of posting it shows results varying from Trump leading by 1% (LA Times, one poll which has been consistently 5 points more towards Trump than other polls) to Clinton leading by 12%, with the average Clinton lead of 4.7%. Even Fox News has Trump behind by 7%.

    So at least some of those polls are incorrect. Which makes it really difficult to see what's happening.
     
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    Trump may lose the election (probably will) but personally I think he feels he's won big time in other ways, namely getting the Trump name even more famous/infamous which works well for him.

    I cant stand Hilary, corrupt to the core. Trump also is not a good choice to be president, he's too much of a businessman and doesn't seem to be able to make the change. Both are very poor choices. God better bless the USA cos they're gonna need it after Nov 8th!!


    So proud to be an Australian!
     
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    My Wife is over there now Geoff,just down the road from Cisco Systems in San Jose,she told me a hour ago every house in the street has a US flag flying outside their house ,every business has a bigger flag some with large pictures of both Hillary and Trump..
    Now look at all the different polls ,state by state,and there is nothing more dangerous then the rise of someone democratically elected in by a massive electorate who see themselves as disenfranchised by the way the system works in America and by the look the last days will all seem ready to vote and do something to correct the injustice they see..If a UFO was above earth watching all this they would think humans have not progressed much since they first walked out of the caves 30,000 years ago..,
     
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    So if Hillary wins, there will be a lot of poorly educated white males who feel disenfranchised.

    If Donald wins, there will be a lot of blacks, latinos, Muslims, Asians, educated whites, and women who feel disenfranchised.

    This goes for "correcting the injustice" as well. Who is suffering the injustice? I would argue that it's only the educated upper middle class who do not suffer the injustice- however that probably doesn't stop them from feeling badly done by, no matter who well off they are. A lot of attention has been paid to those lower middle class white men who feel badly done by in recent years, probably with some justification. But the blacks have been feeling injustice ever since they were brought to America. Latinos have been at the bottom of the pile ever since they arrived there. Women have been badly done by from men ever since time began, and Donald has been showing in recent months that he just typifies the objectification of women but to a worse degree. And of course Muslims have been vilified far worse in recent months than they have ever been.

    But it's not the blacks, latinos, Muslims or women who have been the cause of the problems for the lower class whites. It's much more the inevitable change in our society as a whole which has been the cause.

    Unfortunately, it's the nature of a democracy, that the system can never cater for everybody- only for those who become the majority- and even if that majority is only 50.1% to 49.9%, that majority has the right to govern over the others.
     
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    It's good we live in Australia where all we have is x union people vs business people ,different over there most Americans don't even believe what happened in Dallas too "JFK" has ever been resolved properly and was another conspiracy swept under the carpet and that's over 50 years..
     
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    quite the opposite. Numbers at his hotels have been plummeting and his new business venture 'scion' doesnt even mention his name.
     
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    Well that too wouldn't surprise me. I think long term it will work to his benefit, but who knows. I do know 1 thing, they both make poor candidates for president of a country.
     
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    It's good to see you posting Yotube links from an unbiased source like the NRA to support your opinion rather than express your own opinion.
     
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    This poll is probably more worrying.

    While further emphasising the spread of poll results I've referred to (showing Clinton with an almost 10% lead), it more worryingly states
    This is not the sign of settled times ahead.

    From the same article:
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