Does Australia Need China??

The Chinese gov treats Australia as a pet.
They will always complain about any regulation yet they rule as per the book 1984.
We can't buy over there, yet they can buy here.
Nah, Australia treats China as the fairly free democratic monarchy nation we are, and China treats us like a pet donkey that's fed in exchange for working.

 

From the Council of the EU:

100 European agri-food products are better protected on the Chinese market thanks to a new agreement on Geographical Indications.
This is the first significant bilateral trade agreement between the EU and China.
Here's the full list:

EU-China: Council authorises signature of the agreement on geographical indications.
https://ec.europa.eu/info/sites/inf.../eu-100-list-of-gis-eu-china-agreement_en.pdf

 

Carriers from US, Japan, UK and other naval ships in the South China Sea are to keep the freedom of navigation through these waters. If there is no freedom of navigation through these waters, will Australia need permission or pay tolls to deliver products to South Korea, Japan or Taiwan?

Look at a map of the conflicting claims over waters in the South China Sea and see who is the aggressor.

map of conflicting territorial claims in the south china sea - Google Search

 

China doesn’t treat itself as a free market economy, so why should we? They still want the “developing nation” tag to get a preferential deal.

And you give way too much credit to News Limited. If there are “massive impacts” and China’s feelings are hurt by the local rags here spewing nonsense then it goes to prove how dangerous they are.

We shouldn’t try and be slightly more wealthy than we already are at the cost of our free society. I’m ok with GDP being a smidgen smaller than theoretically otherwise.

You want to know what is ludicrous/unfair? China arbitrarily detaining an Australian Citizen journalist as a threat to national security over a couple of Facebook posts.

 

Fair enough - you obviously know more about the journalist that is being held than I do and as you quote ludicrous, than I gather she is totally innocent and hasn't violated any dictatorships laws. I'm sure you are 100% correct and it is all over a couple of friendly Facebook posts.

Well seems most seem to take you view on China unfortunately but it is what it is. I just have my opinion and I think they are a great partner to trade with. I wonder if they will start to kick out all the Australian businesses that are run out of there in there factories because of the cheap labour and huge profits that are able to be made by doing so.

If it wasn't for this BS virus than everything would still be good for both them and us. I definitely think it's to early to cut our ties with them but if that's what we want and it seems that way than that is what we will get.

 

Asia Pacific Nations Sign the World’s Biggest Trade Deal
Asia Pacific Nations Sign the World’s Biggest Trade Deal

Good to see Australia and China in this together.

Always makes sense for Australia to embrace Asian countries as close trading partners.

 

no one "needs" anyone, but its just what you can live with and without,

Australia needs China more than China needs Australia, that is the truth,

question is how much you like Chinese money and can you live without it. ?

if the world event takes a nasty turn, do Australia wants to be on the wrong side of history or you hedge your best and try to be on the right side every time.

In the end its really just money,


at the moment, I don't think Australia can.

 

https://7news.com.au/politics/federal-politics/china-urges-australia-to-help-mend-ties-c-1607401

Seems the relationship is worsening each week.

Will be interesting to see how things will change with Biden taking the helm in USA. Trump has be publicly critical of China but in reality he has started many trade deals with China that have been to Australia detriment.

Will also be interesting if Biden has a different view on Kashmir and human rights abuse there. If he changes americas stance will we follow and fall out of favour with India as well.

 

Not so true.

We have lived without Chinese trade in a major way for many years and thrived as a country.

We will over time find other trading partners. Although we should not sell our soul and freedoms in order to keep a partner happy. Its bad in any relationship .

We provide China with clean food . Iron ore Coal Uranium and so on.


Over time we will create stronger ties with India, Indonesia and other partners.


We need China in a huge manor they need us and relationship needs to be healthy .Not one of bullying.

I would say the same if this was Europe or USA pressuring us as well.

 

Yes back then in the 70s-80s, China was poor and they were accounted for less than 5% of our export. We thrived without them.

Now 40% of our export goes to China, it is a big deal! Waiting for India and Indonesia to catch up with Chinese demand will take at least a decade or two.

Our country has big resources, way more than we need and we are really good at cultivating these resources. It only makes sense for us to keep trading and we will get better living standard in return, strengthen our military etc.

I saw the requests of the Chinese, I think most of them are easy to deal with. May be only one which is banning Huawei, this could be serious breach of our security and we should stand firm. The others, why should we become the spearhead in criticizing human rights abuses, blaming virus, stop belt and road initiative (this sadly, mostly benefits Australia)?

I’m not sure backing out from these will be selling our souls. After all we have small population, we have to smarten up. Take a small step back to move two steps forward.

 

We haven't sold our souls but we've sold our farms, land etc.

 

Then use the money to buy their big cities, charge them the exorbitant rent

 

Tbh, some of their requests are pretty reasonable. If you are being fair, Australia's recent action is a bit insensitive and obtuse. I am sure we were acting under instructions from Trump and now that he is gone, lets see if we make some effort to amend the relationship.

 

Tbh what Scott Morrison has done is pretty insensitive, if you have a restaurant and treat your customers like ****, why would they come back? Even if you are the only restaurant in town. I know I would rather make my own meal and have nothing to do with you

 

Without China, Australia would not have gone through the 2008 recession. If Australia and China stop dealing with each other for the next 20 years, Australia will have much much more to lose. Our recession may actually become a depression.

 

India has a record no better than China when it comes to human rights, would this not also be selling our soul?

Everything you need to know about human rights in India

 

My comments didn't relate to human rights rather than giving into China's demands.
They say jump we say how high.

 

Although i agree Chinas growth has been great for us.

I remind you it s a two way street.

China benefited from an amazing supply resource partner.

We provide resources on time as promised with little political uncertainty.


We are one of chains largest Iron suppliers which is the fuel for their factory machine.

We provide food and energy in a reliable competitive and stable manner.


Also being geographically close are able to respond to demand near immediately.


So stop selling us short. We benefited and derived and income but provided goods and services as well both of which are world class.

'I have been working with china for 18 years and fly regularly so understand the dynamics well.