Developer bankruptcies

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  1. New2prop

    New2prop Well-Known Member

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    Coming across a number of news articles about developer gone or going bankrupt, see links below. While some businesses normally go under the objective here is to try and see if there is a pattern given the current market conditions.

    First, I want to share a website where we can see sub-contractors already flagging builders not paying them timely or potentially going out of business before it actually happens or comes in media. Subbies United - Protecting tradies and contractors

    Articles of builders bankruptcies which I have sorted by state and timeline. More to come. Please any additional links/ info you may have/ come across.

    Vic:
    Feb:
    Builder Watersun Homes appoints voluntary administrators

    Same builder as above, another article - 'String of bankruptcies' likely to follow after builder Watersun Homes hit the wall

    Act:
    Mar
    Subbies up to $7 million out of pocket after SMI enters administration

    Qld:
    May:
    Company collapse: Fight on to avoid 'massive disaster'

    http://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-12/cmf-projects-collapse-brisbane-apartment-builder/8521762

    https://m.centraltelegraph.com.au/news/more-130-tradies-hit-collapse-builder/3212826/

    WA:

    Jun:
    https://www.domain.com.au/news/coll...ld-cost-homeowners-thousands-20170126-gtzccm/

    http://amp.watoday.com.au/wa-news/perth-builder-talbot-le-page-homes-goes-under-20170601-gwi3io.html

    Builder insurance increase another sign of risk of defaults increasing - https://www.businessnews.com.au/article/Big-builders-facing-insurance-hike

    Jan 2017

    http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/a...-up-to-80-homes-in-limbo-20170120-gtvrlp.html
     
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    interesting

    P.S you sure like to scour the web for negative news on property and create negative property threads, waiting to buy I assume?
     
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    I am trying to find information that will give me a fuller picture of what's happening. There are a lot hype threads and looks like the market is booming. There is another reality where corporate bankruptcies from developers lead to potential hardship or even cascading bankruptcies for sub-contractors. We as investors should take in this info when it comes to choosing the builders, contractors, locations, finance and other things.

    It is easier to miss the forest for the trees. So we need to step back and try to identify a pattern. That's what I am trying to do. People who want to ignore can do so and merrily continue buying.
     
  4. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Only individuals can become bankrupt in Australia. An insolvent company goes into administration or liquidation.
     
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    A block of units went up in flames in the SW in recent days, it is already being said as suspected being purposely lit. Don't know if it was just a firebug though.
     
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    Yes and interestingly the owner of Watersun is doing quite nicely for himself at the moment.
     
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    What's the difference?
     
  8. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    One is a company and one a natural person. The corporations act applies to companies and the bankruptcy act applies to individuals only. Also the conveyancing acts in each state apply to both and have some relevant provisions -e.g. s37A in nsw.
     
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