Defensive Holdings

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  1. izzy16

    izzy16 Well-Known Member

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    Keen to hear everyone's thoughts on defensive holdings, and why they've selected the ones they have. Also keen to hear if anyone chooses not to include any, and are 100% equities or similar.

    I'm thinking of going 85/15 with my portfolio (85% Australian equities / 15% defensive).

    EQUITIES:
    70% big LICs (ARG, AFI, WHF, MLT etc)
    15% direct buys into dividend aristocrats (SOL, APE, maybe Ramsay health etc)

    DEFENSIVE:
    7.5% - GOLD - ETF Securities Physical Gold
    7.5% - Vanguard Australian Government Bond Index Fund

    I actually have no idea on the 15% defensive stocks which is why I'm stimulating discussion on the topic. I guess it feels right to not put all your eggs in one basket (equities) and I've heard gold is a slow and steady performer and govt bonds are a pretty safe bet too.

    I also realise this portfolio would be 100% Australian, still undecided on whether to branch into international stocks. I suppose this would be a defensive play too...
     
  2. radson

    radson Well-Known Member

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    Im getting a little defensive now and have both Vanguard bonds and a little bit of gold. I got into Vanguard Aussie bonds when their price fell post Trump. Using abcbullion goldsaver account to buy in gold price dips.

    I was also looking at these bad boys when we have the next emerging market crisis
    iShares J.P. Morgan USD Emerging Markets Bond (AUD Hedged) E | IHEB
     
  3. Zenith Chaos

    Zenith Chaos Well-Known Member

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    Depends on the definition and purpose of defensive:
    )) Equities: e.g. consumer staples, blue chips, companies with competitive advantage, value buys, high yield
    + Staying in the market whilst minimising losses
    - Capital loss
    )) Bonds
    + lower risk to capital erosion
    - out of market that no one can predict, liquidity risk
    )) Cash
    + safer, liquid
    - low rate of return
    )) Precious metals
    + ultimate safety - more for SHTF scenarios
    - no income
     
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  4. Nodrog

    Nodrog Well-Known Member

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    Defensive, why bother. As long as most of the income keeps coming in when the **** hits the fan then what's the issue? Other than dividend paying shares the only defensive asset I need is a Cash buffer to top up any potential temporary dividend shortfall.

    Here's my idea of defensive. Oh no they say, here comes those dreaded charts again:eek:. When will he stop:D.

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  5. willair

    willair Well-Known Member Premium Member

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    That's a interesting spread and depending on the timeframe you will focus on,and what will inform your trading decisions?..
    Myself i would bump up the defensive too just below 30%,and not one cent in anything in gold,but first pick any top asx listed most exdiv now,and run a daily profit and loss over a monthly basic while analysing the result then settle on a trading style,if as so many can't and fall into the 80%--20% trap if you can work out a trading style and stick too it then the easy part done.."IMHO"..