deductions for travel?

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  1. D3xx

    D3xx Well-Known Member

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    I understand the ATO rules regarding deducting travel expenses have changed. Does that mean I can no longer claim travel to my IP for things like inspections, repairs, showing prospective tenants through?

    EDIT: never mind :) I see from another thread that these deductions are no longer allowed.
     
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  2. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Yes

    And the ATO doesn't make the rules it is the law that has changed
     
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    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    For a residential IP = no travel, no meals, no fares, not even to perform repairs etc. Any costs you incur can be disregarded and the receipts thrown away. They dont impact tax in any way after 30 June 2017
     
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    You can, if it's for a commercial property. If it's residential then it's a no.
     
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    Maybe it is time for residential landlords to own some commercial property!
     
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    Nah! Way too complex for the masses. ;)
     
  7. Terry_w

    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    This law also does not apply to company owners (but not if acting as trustee)
     
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    The Y-man Moderator Staff Member

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    Sorry - going to have to dig this one up again :D

    I am not sure which post/law @Terry_w was referring to, so just wanted to clarify.....

    A comm prop in trust - can travel by trustees be claimed against rental income of the comm prop?

    Any diff if the comm prop owned by a company?

    The Y-man
     
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    Mike A Well-Known Member

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    a company can hold residential property and can claim travel deductions.
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    It is s26-31 ITAA97. I mentioned it in a podcast episode that I recorded today.

    Doesn't apply to company owners, but applies to trustees. A company owning residential land as trustee of a discretionary trust will mean the travel deductions are not available but a company owning land in its own right can claim travel relating to holding the residential property.
     
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    Thanks....
    commercial property won't matter either way?

    The Y-man
     
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    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    Travel to / from commercial property needs to consider some factors
    1. Was the travel related to a capital or revenue purpose ?. eg May add to costbase and not be deductible.
    2. If owned by a entity how did the entity incur travel expenses ? The entity cant claim costs incurred by a Director as such. But it might reimburse them and then satisfy this. Car deductions will be a issue if the entity doesnt own a car.
    3. If owned personally which owner/s incurred the travel costs ? eg a car. It may be a personal deduction for one owner and not shared.
     
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    the issue that arises with an entity is how was the travelled incurred which opens up a whole host of other issues
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Could the director of the company use their own vehicle and then be reimbursed by the company for the kms travelled?
     
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    Yes. Or receive a allowance in broader situations. Then they may have an assessable allowance and a offsetting deduction.
     
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    This is interesting topic

    If you have residential property in SMSF under company e.g.:-
    Abc pty . Ltd. (Acn xxxxxxxx) as trustee for def smsf fund (abn xxxxxxxxxxx)

    Can you claim travel/inspection etc... As its holding under company name?
     
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    but it isnt held under a company. an smsf is a trust.
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    Travel is not claimable by SMSFs
     
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    Paul@PAS Tax, Accounting + SMSF + All things Property Tax Business Plus Member

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    The company is a CUSTODIAN trustee. It holds the property under bare trust for a SMSF. "You" dont have a SMSF property. The fund does.
    SMSFs are also barred from claiming travel deductions and the payment could even be a audit concern. I am sometimes asked if a SMSF can claim travel costs for commercial property. NO. The entity is prohibited. There is no need to consider property type.

    Entities that can claim travel expenses
    You can claim travel expenses, if you're a:
    • corporate tax entity
    • superannuation plan that is not a self-managed superannuation fund
    • public unit trust
    • managed investment trust
    • unit trust or a partnership, where all of the members are entities of a type listed above.