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  1. sharon

    sharon Well-Known Member

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    So I have a loan on the PPOR - interest and principle - and it's going along fine.

    I did a loan split (I think it's' called) secured against the PPOR for $120k. At the time it was setup as owner occupier rate - so has a lower interest rate.

    Now that banks seem to have a higher rate for investor loans - if I want to take more equity from my house and secure it against my PPOR - the banks are asking what I plan to use the funds for. If it's investment they want to charge a higher interest rate. Which annoys me. :) I am not even planning to use the money in the short term - just let it sit and wait for the right opportunity.

    So - how are you managing your loan splits in this lending environment? Is anyone still getting less then 4% when they are taking equity out of their PPOR? If so - which lender are you with? Will your bank let you do loan splits at $20 or $50k at a time?

    Any information appreciated.
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    You can get around this with careful planning.
     
  3. sharon

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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    I don't want to give away all my secrets but you could refinance.
     
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    @Terry_w - I think you mean find a new lender.
    And this is what I was thinking - which is why I was asking about which lenders people are using that would allow this loan splitting thing that I want to do.
    I didn't think you were a mortgage broker Terry. I thought you were more into discretionary trusts and bucket companies?
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    I am a finance broker - and have been for over 15 years now.
     
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    @Terry_w - wow you are a man of many talents. :)
     
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    Terry_w Lawyer, Tax Adviser and Mortgage broker in Sydney Business Member

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    I only have 3 broad talents - tax, law and loans.
     
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    I just did this, but the investment "equity release" was at a much higher rate. My original splits - with no increase in equity - are all at the PPOR IR (as they should be!). I hoped that the new one would be too, but alas (CBA!)
    When I get more time than a few minutes off, I'm calling Terry :).
     
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    @mcarthur - good to know I am not the only one having this drama. :)
     
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    I refinanced for a split loan with loans.com.au and got the same rate as my PPOR (was 3.64 when I started the process) with that split loan. Its IO with an offset account.

    Not sure I got away with something or if it's usual practice there though.. PPOR rate increased to 3.71 and split loan followed but I negotiated to bring it down to 3.64 again. I think it's not normal practice but they gave it to me. Waiting for a few months to see if it increases as I'm refinancing an IP with a split loan with another bank (reduce loans) and they told me I'm no way getting the same rate as my IP rate for the split loan as IP is P&I and loan is IO.
     
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    Sure you don't want to use it for renovations of your ppor?
     
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    I did mention this to my banking person - and they asked me to provide quotes for the reno's.
     
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    Which bank is this?
     
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    Jess Peletier Mortgage Broker & Finance Strategy, Aus Wide! Business Member

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    Some banks will do this, others will trust you.
    AMP is pretty much the only lender that will let you have OO rates regardless of purpose. Firstmac possibly too I think but might have changed.
     
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    @sharon FirstMac is loans.com.au. Worth checking. i did it in the last 2 months so should be open for you as an option too.

    i am going to try and negotiate with reduceloans.com too but from experience so far they are tougher to negotiate with then loans.com has been. but the structure of the bank is completely different too.
     
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    @Gypsyblood - thanks for the info - I will check it out.